Warner Bros. Shows Rhythm & Hues No Mercy

From the NY Times:

According to filings, made on Wednesday with the bankruptcy court in Los Angeles, Fox and Universal agreed to extend credit that will allow the company to proceed with work on their films, presumably including Fox’s “Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters” and Universal’s “R.I.P.D.”

But Warner, according to the effects company’s motion, which seeks extra time to file a schedule of assets and liabilities, has demanded the “return of all materials” related to three of its scheduled movies.

Steve Hulett opines here.

While I applaud Fox and Universal for extending credit to Rhythm I’m dissapointed to see WB’s actions on the heels of threats leveled at the country of New Zealand. This only adds more volatility to the industry at a very difficult time.

People have lost their jobs with weeks of pay missing. However this is how Hollywood works. It’s all about leverage and brinksmanship. We may not have the leverage now, but we won’t forget.

Soldier On.

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99 Responses to Warner Bros. Shows Rhythm & Hues No Mercy

  1. Boycott says:

    Maybe it’s time for a good ole boycott of the WB

    • VFX Soldier says:

      I’m all for doing something but if we’re going to do a strike or boycott like many are asking it has to be organized and painful. If you’re going to strike, strike fast, strike hard.

      Right now while many are energized it think its more reactive than structured.

      • Boycott says:

        When and where?

      • vfx_vet says:

        Seems like every studio has at least one big summer vfx heavy movie on the schedule. With crunch times lasting roughly 2 months or more for each production, it’s possible to find a pocket of time where all the crunch times overlap. If the artists walk during the busiest time of production, release dates could be threatened and the studios would finally pay attention. Of course…organizing this is another issue. :-)

    • Heywouldyabuzzoff says:

      I’d rather protest Universal and Fox: those are the studios using the work of artists who have not been paid for their work!

      • mmmtacos says:

        isn’t there something in the law that says that if the artist hasn’t been paid then they own sole rights to the work? Wasn’t that went on with Journey to the Center of Earth. Is it valid?

      • coastuc says:

        most of the artists still at R+H working on those shows just got paid

  2. Paul says:

    I bet if enough people launched picket lines in front of both WB facilities (the Ranch and the main lot) it would get some local TV coverage, especially considering all the Los Angeles stations are right around the corner.

  3. Martyn Drake says:

    Don’t forget WB’s threats at the UK VFX industry during Harry Potter. They were very vocal back then as well. “Give us the tax subs. otherwise we’ll take work to the Czech Republic”.

    What a nice company.

    • Boycott says:

      That’s what they are doing in NZ. I have also heard they have never been good to people or employes

      • Admittedly they were good to my former employers – we had many projects with them. Can’t tell you how well we were paid for them, but I survived six years before leaving of my own accord to go elsewhere.

        However, what hacked me off – initially at least – was the outdated kit (which was difficult to replace I might add) they made us use early on the Potter projects and the bloody stupid security policies which would have cost my employers a small fortune to implement and would not have added much in the way of actual security.

        To me it seems as though WB have become the fast food joint of the film world (now with added horse meat), and I am VERY disappointed with them as a consequence. They are capable of very good stuff, but the output of late has been so poor that I’ve given up watching anything they produce. I’m avoiding The Hobbit like the plague despite it looking intriguing.

        BTW, does anybody remember Mars Attacks and the in-house VFX shop WB set-up which then consequently shut down straight afterwards? Was that a one-project deal or were they intending on keeping it going?

      • jedilarry says:

        Grumpy Duck, Warner’s got into the vfx biz with Warner Digital. No, it was not a one-project scenario. WD worked on a few of the Schumacher Batman films and other films as well as Mars Attacks.

  4. Heywouldyabuzzoff says:

    R.I.P.D and Percy are fairly close to being done, with release dates approaching fast… that’s the only reason in my opinion that they aren’t being pulled also. Basically they can’t be pulled. Who’s going to pull off work that complex in so short a time frame? WB isn’t be anymore evil than Universal and Universal isn’t being anymore nice. R&H is in bankruptcy folks. The studios want predictability and assurances for their $100m investments. Granted they are the cause of all the problems on a macro level, but that’s the situation right now. The movie studios are being their normal ruthless selves. R&H is trying to survive but has kind of sold their sole to the devil in my opinion. The artists are getting the screws.

    Now if Universal comes and awards R&H another show after they get what they want? Now that would some shocking news that I think we all would applaud.

  5. op says:

    Strike! Global Strike March 13th would be a good date. Mid-week.

  6. louise says:

    we have to do a strike, not against studios, but with our studio, against production companies, who are killing our studios and our jobs..

  7. VFX-STRIKE says:

    STRIKE March 13th!! This is our turn to show the studios why they make the money in the box office, for all our hard work, for all our bullshit story’s, for all the company’s that went out of business, UNITE

  8. anonymous says:

    WB is also the most stingy with credits for artists, in my experience.

  9. Blacklight says:

    If you stick 100 vfx pros in a room and give them 100 days to make a movie, after 100 days you will have a movie. If you stick 100 actors, producers, or executives in a room for 100 days, all you’ll get is 99 bruised egos.

    • Skyline says:

      Yeah you will have a movie doesn’t mean it will be good….

      130 VFXpros in a room – 5 months. It’s been done

      We are a talented bunch but to say we could run the whole film industry better is a little stretch. Plus what’s you definition of VFXPro? Just like every other part of film just because its your job and you have been lucky enough to do it for years doesn’t mean you are any good. Think about any VFX team you have been on, there is always someone not hacking it.

      Plus if you this you can write produce or act better then everyone else you should be doing that. Nothing worse then wasted talent.

      • Mangora says:

        Skyline, sounds like to me you’re trying to protect your own ‘I’m better then you’ ego. It’s people like you that are holding this industry back. How do you define ‘not any good’? Not every artist is a senior, people are learning, finding out where their talents lay in the pipeline and talent is always changing all over the board. Blacklight is just using his ‘making a movie comment’ as a metaphor to say they need us more then we need them. Personally I believe that’s true, I’ve worked with plenty of VFX folks who could equally direct, and produce a film, and eventually we’ll be replacing actors with full-time digital doubles anyway. You should be pushing for that.

      • skyline says:

        Actually your wrong Mangora, but I guess I could see why you might think that’s what I meant. Let me see if i can explain my point in a non destructive way.

        I believe that the studios (film) need us, they need us more then they think they do, but we do still need them, just not as bad as they want us to think we do. Its a weird cycle.

        Also there are loads of Artist out there that are better then me. I have worked with and learned from them in so many ways. I have also seen many many senior artist flounder, yet continue to work based on what it says on their resume, not by what they are actually able to do. I have also worked with junior artist that were absolutely amazing, and have gone off and have been very successful, might even be better then I.

        I’m using the name Skyline for the reason of my point to Blacklight. VFX artist did make a movie. Yes the VFX are great especially considering the total time was 5 months, But the movie itself is horrible. So to use a blanket statement isn’t true, its still comes down to having a truly talented staff in every way.

        That’s also why I add “Plus if you [think] you can write, produce or act better then everyone else you should be doing that. Nothing worse then wasted talent.” the film industry does need help in these areas, so if you are doing VFX but think you can do one of those jobs better then anyone else, well then maybe you should. Having more people in those positions that actually know what it is that we do will only help us in the end.

        To be digi double or not to be digi double, really doesn’t make a difference in my day to day. It is amazing how far they have come, and you are probably right that in a lot of cases will replace actual actors.

      • Blacklight says:

        I only worked in the industry for a year, and I’ve been doing scientific visualization ever since. What strikes me most about my current line of work vs. my previous line of work is that the people in charge here are all scientists themselves. Not so in the film industry; not only do the people in charge know little to nothing about the technical or artistic aspects of filmmaking, even worse, they don’t care to know.

        So why are so many people (who have studied so hard for so long) so willing to work themselves to the bone for people who are drawn to the film industry just for the money?

      • Dave Rand says:

        Skyline Production budget 10 million
        World Wide Gross 66,821,000

        Hmmm even the shitty VFX movies make money …go figure.

    • vfxIntlTraveller says:

      “If you stick 100 vfx pros in a room and give them 100 days to make a movie, after 100 days you will have a movie” Actually, what you’ll have is a hundred days of argument about the best way to pass data from Maya to Houdini to the renderer and a bunch of riggers in the corner who are no longer talking to eachother.

  10. Caleb says:

    There has never been a better time to make a statement than now. With the awards season in full swing and the Oscars coming up, people should be out in full force. Strike or picketing would be great, but an initial massive walk out at facilities all around the world would be a great way to move from the 3-4 year blog conversation, to action.

    Don’t waste another good opportunity.

    • Anonymous says:

      Who is going to walk out of studios and risk their jobs? At facility level who is going to organize that? I don’t see it happening. This is why we need union.

      • Caleb says:

        Not sure how long you’ve been following the discussion, but the same argument you are making has been made about the formation of a Union. People are on a hamster wheel. Jobs? What jobs? No ones job is safe. Fear is fake. Do you honestly think a facility is going to fire all of its staff because it walks out?

        A walk out is the only way to get the “fire” started towards a Union. A walk out doesn’t need leadership, it just needs people to pull together and make a statement. If a mass walk out occurs and “studio a” notices no one is working on their movie, and they can’t pull it and send it to another studio cause they walked out as well, what do you think will happen?

        Social media helped other countries revolutions, no leaders, you are telling me a bunch of computer savvy professionals can’t figure out how to organize a protest?

        Stop making excuses, DO SOMETHING!!!

      • jedilarry says:

        fear is a state of mind. You can be fearless.

        But fear will keep you in line.

    • Mike says:

      I agree this is a great opportunity for action, although any time is a good time to take action…..hopefully, some of the groups forming are planning some action, although I’m sure the studios and vfx shops are also thinking of strategies to counter-act any actions by the artists….we’ll see….

      • Kyle Gray says:

        With productions so close to deadlines I couldn’t see any way for the studio’s to transfer work to another facility and still finish on time. I know some shows that were at R&H are looking for new homes….

  11. RH_vfx says:

    Well of course WB shows no mercy. The CEO’s of these big production houses have no souls or heart. If they did, we wouldn’t be treated like we are (This is everyone in the industry in Canada, India, China, NZ, US, EVERYONE). I’m surprised the other studios didn’t pull their work; since we’re just peons and meaningless to them.

    • TylerDurden says:

      If Percy 2 and R.I.P.D. weren’t so complex and so close to the finish line, I have no doubt they would have… They might be lacking souls, but I think their primary motivator would be desire to protect their shows from uncertainty.

  12. A strike is not the action to take, who wants to lose a days pay and give their employer strong terms for dismissal? Much better for us all to work to rule for one month – no more free overtime, no more working through lunch, no more working weekends – just straight and fair 9-6 (or whatever you are contracted to do). Arrive on time, work hard, ignore the internet all day, work to rule. Then we’ll see how long a project really takes to complete. Be a volunteer worker no longer!!

    • Caleb says:

      You sir are delusional. No offense of course. Refuse to work overtime, your employer will find something to dismiss you with.

      A unified walk out is the only way to send an immediate message that people are tired of it all. A union aint going anywhere, I wish it was, but too many people with attitudes of “I got mine”. Well, what you got now? Who’s next to fall? You gotta a staff gig? wont help you.

      To many people in the industry have a misguided fear of being blacklisted, fired or whatever. The reality is, you are more likely to work for a failing company than you are to be blacklisted or fired.

      If you really care about the future of your job or this field, you have to stop talking, blogging and faceplanting, you have to make a serious tangible statement. No one person is going to step up to the plate, no Scott Ross’ are going to lead the way ( no offense Scott) it is entirely up to the work force now. Don’t die a slow death by sitting on your hands. Then again, if you don’t really care, just keep talking and blogging.

      Good luck to us all.

    • vfxvagabond says:

      That wouldn’t make a statement. All the studio would see are deadlines not being met – not artists protesting. The final finish date wouldn’t change; all you’d end up with is more work to complete the next month.

      • Caleb says:

        Yeah, that’s exactly what would happen, cause you have some reference point of the last time there was a massive walk out?

        Excuse after excuse for inaction. Placating, co-dependent work force, THAT is what the studios love.

        Oh, ala DD, hey, were going to cut your pay: work force smiles and bends over,

        hey, come work on this film for free here at RH, work force smiles and bends over.

        “We really want artist to believe in this project” Translation, work stupid hours for free to show your devotion, and get the idea that you’ll be the next big Sup on the next big project.

        Studio execs: This is great!! How can we make more money off these clowns?

        The rest of the unionized industry laughs or is astonished how vfx is not organized. Its completely baffling at this point.

  13. vfxguy says:

    I don’t understand what is shocking about this. R&H are going down and WB wants their movie back before R&H’s servers are sold off to the highest bidder to pay the creditors.

    • jonavark says:

      my sentiments exactly

      I think people expect business to be more touchy feely and emotional. lol!

      The contracts work. WB’s shows are still their shows and they have to do what they have to do with them.. despite R&H falling on its face.

  14. The Scarlet Pumpernickel says:

    FOX and Universal didn’t seem to think so.

    Oh right…but WB sees no problems in the industry whatsoever…right…
    http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118036031/

    About that…

  15. RH_vfx says:

    After the company meeting R&H had tonight, I think more people will be FOR a strike. I hope someone e-mails vfxsoldier and tells him about it so he can post it for everyone to see.

    • The Scarlet Pumpernickel says:

      Test

      • The Scarlet Pumpernickel says:

        Weird, I was going to post a link but when I do it just doesn’t post the comment…

    • coastuc says:

      what happened at the meeting?

      • Josef Bloomfield says:

        Friday evening’s meeting was a kick in the gut for current employees.

        Frankly many people left the previous meeting on Monday morning thinking that they would be paid in full for the pre-petition work. The assumption was that the company would file for bankruptcy on Monday night and that work during the week would be compensated as normal. Some projects and shots are close to completion with people putting in OT.

        We found out today that people who were staffed on the 2 movies funded by Universal and Fox would be compensated up to the statutory cap of $11750 for their pre-petition work until the actual bankruptcy filing on Wed 13. Any claims exceeding that amount would fall under unsecured claims. How you feel about that cap is probably determined by how much overtime you put in last month and your rate.

        People staffed on the Legendary Pictures project would know about their compensation after another week of uncertainty when the Judge reviews their funding proposal.

        As of now, my colleagues who worked on the disputed Warner projects will not be compensated for their past month of work.

        Compensation for overhead departments was somewhat unclear.

        Its unprecedented. Its disgusting. No one at a vfx house has much say on which show they will be staffed on. Artists are often shuttled between shows to fix emergencies. We are asked as company employees to work on less desirable or prestigious shows as team players. In a crisis even people on show specific contracts are asked to pitch in and help out another show that needs help.

        The studios are well aware that vfx houses have overhead personnel that lets the artist do their job. They may be less comfortable with the fact the artists share tools and techniques across shows. Without this we would re-invent everything from scratch for each show.

        Some facilities silo their shows more than others but most recognize that the interaction between artists in a similar discipline is efficient. Its part of being in a company.

        Being project based, we tend to accept that cycles of hiring and firing will happen over the lifecycle of a project so the firing the first 200 at R&H was somewhat on par with the norm at other facilities. Not getting paid on termination was unprecedented.

        We are increasing asked to absorb project schedule changes that push start dates on written contracts back a month or two with little notice and no compensation for lost income.

        Companies routinely hire people on short-term contracts with lower benefit tiers and extend them month by month. All of those are shitty practices that people accept.

        Now we have artists eating their wages for studio-vendor contract disputes. These are figures in the single digit millions. Absolutely peanuts for a movie studio.

        Far fewer people clapped for John Hughes last night.

    • jedilarry says:

      well why don’t you?

      • Scott Squires says:

        Sorry to hear this happening for fellow visual effects artists. Independent contractors are always going to get the shaft and artists shouldn’t be because that’s an illegal classification as well. Same non-payment happened to DD contractors.

        In the future insist on weekly payment and avoid working when payment is not met.

      • Josef Bloomfield says:

        Thanks Scott,

        I’m 99% sure most of the people affected are w-2′s employees split into into benefit tiers of staff, long-term freelance (6month) and short term freelance (3month). Payment for all of the employees is twice a month.

        Two places to look at:
        http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/howtofilewageclaim.htm

        The company is in chapter 11. So that protects them from wage claims and puts your claim into one of several buckets of priority. In my opinion it can’t hurt to put in a claim.

        Regarding quitting. (vs being laid off). Most people are concerned that they would not qualify for UI. It might not be as straigtforward as a layoff. I believe there is a phone interview with the former employee and employer to determine whether the quitting qualifies . Here’s a link with some info:

        http://www.edd.ca.gov/UIBDG/Voluntary_Quit_VQ_5.htm#Leaving%20Work

        To me not being paid seems pretty black and white, but I’m not the EDD and there are some interesting cases in the FAQ that make me advise ..move carefully, document everything you can, especially if the missed paychecks are a make or break issue toward rents, mortages or other bills.

  16. christian roberts says:

    I dont think a strike really helps at this point. What you need to do is picket the cinemas on a major release weekend and get people not to go to the cinema to said film. An opening weekend box office flop would cause the studios to feel the financial pinch as often have loans that the open weekend helps pay back.

    I also saw someone posting about box office profits on some movie, remember the published production budget does not include the marketing costs a studios pays often in the hundreads of millions in print, tv and cinema ads along with all the tv junkets. Imagine the cost they pay just flying 2 stars worldwide first class to promote the film.

    As for those suggesting backend for facilities. In theory thats great but of the 300 movies made many dont make a profit. Even Dreamworks suffered with Guardians lately. If facilities relied on back end we would see many facilities close as not many worked on say Avengers and the Hobbit. Even Pi is yet to make a profit in US box office. The backend would only help several of the major facilities and not many that are struggling

    • Just do it says:

      That’s great and everything but the rest of the country and world really couldn’t give a shit about us. So maybe u could hurt one Cali theater maybe two, but you couldn’t picket the whole world.

      A strike is the only way to do so how about everyone grow a pair and if R&H is calling for weekend work with no pay check don’t go in, if they are calling for Presidents’ Day with no pay checks don’t go in. Fucken stand up and hopefully the rest of this industry will grow a pair and follow suit. It’s time for the artist to support the artist.

      • christian roberts says:

        I never said easy but striking is only going to hurt those in cali because they will always find someone to do the work. You can strike but as I hear work is being pulled left and right and this would just give all the studios the excuse to pull all the work the little hope of survival wil fade.

      • Just do it says:

        That’s why I said

        “hopefully the rest of this industry will grow a pair and follow suit. It’s time for the artist to support the artist.”

        If the people working for free and losing their jobs don’t care enough to stand up for their jobs then others won’t support them.

  17. Frank N. Stein says:

    Awww, poor ol’ Rhythm and Hues gets no mercy from Warner Brothers. How about the artists, the people who actually do the work, getting canned with no notice? And NO PAY on money owed. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for R+H.

    For those of you who are still working at Rhythm and Hues; you should stop work immediately if you have not been paid. Do you want to be owed even more money that might not be paid?

    • Randal says:

      No kidding. Why are we only finding out about Rhythm and Hues not being able to pay it’s artists AFTER they go into bankruptcy protection? They should be up front with their staff when they hire them if their paycheques aren’t 100% guaranteed for the life of their contracts. What kind of shysters are these?

      • Still showing up. says:

        They announced they couldn’t make Monday’s upcoming payroll on Friday the 8th and announced that they’d be filing for bankruptcy on Sunday night. I’d imagine that the bankruptcy occurred as a result of the failing to make payroll, not the other way around.

  18. jonavark says:

    A strike?

    Reminds me of two kids playing checkers. One can’t win so he dumps the entire game on the ground. Then.. nobody is playing.

    • Jen says:

      No need to dump “the entire game on the ground.” Just leave the game. The game remains intact and playable. It just can’t be played.

      I know several artists who have already left VFX to work in animation, video games, software, smartphone apps, casino graphics, teaching and corporate/government visualizations. These artists took their years of expertise out of this industry and poured it into other jobs that paid them better.

      The VFX industry will not keep its best people if it will not pay those artists what they are worth.

    • Time to act says:

      Looks like the game changed to Risk to me.

      If you can get Indian parents to think VFX is cooler then being a Doctor, then they will take over..

      How to break ground within the Indian VFX industry: Pete Draper at TEDxYouth@Chennai

      • SuDeep says:

        Be a nomad, jumping from town to town with no portable benefits and having a hard time saving money due to dry spells between productions?

        I’d stick with medicine.

      • This guy’s smart but the bottom line is he’s being paid a lot of money to train Indian workers to take VFX jobs from other countries. I’ve been to Mumbai and would not move there from LA for any amount of money (or servants, dancing girls, etc…)

        And we can’t take TEDx seriously since one of their speakers was legendary asshole John Textor:

        http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/TEDxThepineschool-JohnTextor-Te

      • Isass Derptard says:

        Quite a few people have gone that route to train up low paid non-artists in China and India to become roto monkeys and compers. Some actual boast about it and could care less about how the industry has changed, as long as they are making money. One from Germany was especially prickish and self-absorbed about it. name withheld for karmic reasons. Ironically idiots like that tend to lose their jobs pretty fast once the trainees can become the trainers and the Chinese VFX industry can stand on its own (especially after acquiring broken VFX houses). China has already shown that in the IT arena.

  19. James Hill says:

    WHY in gods name are you guys still working at Rhythm. Get the hell out now! Please! It is painful to hear what you are prepared to put up with. This is insane! What is your reason for not running for the door or getting PAID employment at another gig pronto – like 2 wks ago. This is as bad as that “journey to the center of the earth” fiasco – but worse – you know what happened to them and the exact thing is gonna happen to you – thus knowing this, I just can’t fathom what you are still doing there working for free?! Is it some kind of warped sense of loyalty? They have lied to you and treated you with no respect. Is it hope that you will somehow experience a miracle and get paid? Never gonna happen – just get that thought outta your mind now. Is it fear of being blacklisted? I guarantee you, no other employers could care less or blame you – every other single sane person would jump ship just the same. I just don’t get it. Why Why Why! are you sticking around on a sinking ship. Everyone just needs to walk/run asap and leave that work unfinished. You are not getting paid, thus that work must not be completed. By sticking around you are absolutely sending the worst message to the studios – that you will participate in slave labour!. You’re devaluing not just yourselves but debasing all of us and all we are fighting for by not leaving now!

    • an on im ous says:

      @James Hill

      Stockholm Syndrome.

      Never underestimate the pull of the multiple temptations to willingly and actively participate in your own absolute abuse.

      Its one of the ugly parts of the human meat that they cut out when you’re processed after you sign, just before canning
      and distribution to Smart and Final.

    • Josef Bloomfield says:

      James,

      Its not so cut and dry.

      “time to act “mentions about people with a universal or fox check coming. Some people are balancing the tradeoff of staying vs leaving. Its the the same calculation the studios are doing.

      Some artist are focused on their shot for their reel. They are probably not reading this blog but for what it takes this is a business, not your personal art project. You may or may not be credited. You may or may not complete your shot for circumstances that completely beyond your control.

      Others may have spent some time on a warner show, but are now crewed on one of the paying shows. So there’s some money on the horizon rather than nothing.

      Some people don’t have anything lined up that will pay for rent, mortgages, car payments, medical bills. UI pays $440 per week vs 0.

      Some people may be sticking around for their team, coworkers or even the company. In the present circumstances, one realizes that R&H is an exception. This company did not last for 25 years just by paying their bills on time and by doing Oscar nominated (and winning) work. The founders have build up a lot of good will, there are working relationships and processes that take time to build from scratch.

      Its one of those things that the studio executives will never see as a business metric. In a Walmart world with the lowest price everyday you get people running the show who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

      • shidarin says:

        Also, there’s a lot of friends and coworkers who are owed a lot of money. If the company sells for a good amount of money, those people will get a slice. If the company doesn’t sell and just liquidates, they get nothing.

        People continuing to work (once they get paid) is literally the only way to ensure that people they care about get what’s owed to them.

      • Isass Derptard says:

        shidarin, sorry but employees won’t get a cut if R&H is brought to the auction block and chopped up for parts (really just the R&D). the only people getting anything out of a sale are the owners. People are staying because of pride, because of not wanting to sell out their coworkers and to not get that black mark for leaving any company in the middle of crunch time.

    • Still showing up. says:

      As of right now, Sunday, payroll at Rhythm (for those whose payments the court approved on Friday) is six days late. If there were no prospect of getting paid ever, working further would be a bad decision, but given that the court has approved a plan to get the money flowing again immediately, it’s worth a few more days to let that happen. If there are more unexpected surprises on this front, all bets are off.

      • Still showing up. says:

        And, if the information about current employees who have worked on Warner projects not getting paid at all is accurate, that’s a huge factor also in a decision to continue.

  20. Time to act says:

    Sounds like if you are on a fox or universal show a check is coming, I would stay for the check and then leave. If I was on any other show I wouldn’t go back in till I knew money was coming. Even then I would probably go do some else.

  21. You know what they should do. Delete all the assets for all of Warners movies. ALL OF THEM. Just kill the whole thing. Backups, everything. Then maybe they will get the message. Let them try to piece together the show from dailies and test comps. When they ask just say “I don’t know what happened- some kind of weird glitch.” Who has the power here? Think about it.

    And regarding opposition to a strike? I’ve heard these arguments time and time again, what the “best thing” is to do for the industry. Strikes and unions were invented for a reason. If there’s any opportune moment to strike, this is it.

    I stand with you, my friends.

    • Time to act says:

      Technically they can’t do that.. Even thought its on R&H machines it is owned by the film studio not R&H so “deleting it” would be distroying private property which would probably do more harm then good.

      Defiantly would screw over studio, but could put people in jail.

      • That’s true. I guess it’s how far you’re willing to go.

        I’ve seen plenty of vfx facilities picked over by Warners once they were dead, Can’t say I’m particularly surprised they want to pull the shows. I imagine they have a well mapped-out procedure at this point, having done it so very many times.

        Yet houses keep bidding on their shows, thinking that it could never be them on the chopping block next round. Think again.

      • Time to act says:

        A wiseman once said “Ignorance is bliss”

      • A wiser man, named Plato, said: “Ignorance is the stem and root of all evil.”

  22. PolarisSoup says:

    My personal feeling is that folks in each of the vfx centres (LA, Vancouver, London, NZ etc.) should organise a well telegraphed meet up at a local venue/pub both to see numbers and get a feeling on the appetite for action. If things go well and there is substantial support at the local level then it should be fairly easy to join up the groups into a more global movement. Trying to coordinate a global movement from scratch is just not going to happen, start small and it will get enough traction to get noticed.

  23. SuDeep says:

    Imma leave this here.
    http://vfxunion.com/

  24. JustAJobNow says:

    Hmmmm… maybe the next time a company is facing Bankruptcy, they should file for chapter 7, walk away, and let the studios deal with the judges and lawyers instead of trying to stay open and complete themovies. Sounds like if that had happened here, ALL those films would have missed their release dates. Maybe that would get some attention. As it is, they will still get their product and the employees are still screwed.

  25. Cold Water says:

    Question for R&H employees: if you had been offered a vote of “full pay for everyone but Warner’s and maybe Legendary” vs “split the available money pool with everyone equally, even if less than owed,” would you have voted for the latter? If so, why don’t you all tell management to just do it that way?

    By the way the judge might not approve of this “don’t pay some people” payment scheme. Just a conjecture.

    I don’t get why all the R&H lovers keep defending John Hughes. Just because he built up 25 years of good will doesn’t mean he shouldn’t lose it over one week. He f**ked up, plain and simple. Lots of famous figures have killed long-built reputations in one blow. I’m not suggesting that he did anything with malicious intentions but the fact is that his actions were unforgivably stupid. He should have reigned in this mess months ago with drastic spending reductions.

    • shidarin says:

      ” vs “split the available money pool with everyone equally, even if less than owed,” ”

      We actually tried this within 10 minutes of hearing that Seventh Son would not be paid immediately, and that people who had worked on canceled projects would not be paid. It was shut down, because…

      “By the way the judge might not approve of this “don’t pay some people” payment scheme. Just a conjecture.”

      ….because the judge is in charge of Rhythm’s finances right now. He’s the one who decided on this pay scheme, that paying employees of canceled projects would not be in the best interest of the companies debtors (a majority of which are the employees…). Go figure.

      • Cold Water says:

        Very interesting. Well thanks for the clarification.

        And that’s very nice to hear you guys did that, hopefully word spreads that you did.

      • Time to act says:

        Maybe all the employees being paid should take wednesday off and show up to the court and picket or just show up in solidarity out front so the judge knows how important it is to get EVERYONE their money. Maybe it would be smart for all the poeple laid off to show up as well. I think everyone involved can afford to take off ONE DAY. Sounds like you all can afford 4 weeks no pay, what’s one more day actually off. Shoot it might also only be 2 or 3 hours off work.

      • Ashes says:

        I’m not sure if legally they can take money from Fox and give it to people working on a WB show. It’s not like the money goes into one account and then is distributed through the facility. Most places keep the shows separately and you can’t just take funds from one and move it to another. I guess that something the lawyers and the judge will have to work out.

  26. salb says:

    does no-one have savings in the bank?

  27. Scott Ross says:

    A Piece of the Pi?

    I had a vision tonite. The perfect storm had occurred. The VFX industry in turmoil whilst blockbuster movies are making a fortune. LIFE OF PI racks up $577 million whilst R&H files for bankruptcy. Chances are Bill Westenhofer and team will most likely walk away with a statue on Sunday, though they have no job or paycheck on Monday. So… given this outrageous situation, what can be done?

    Here’s where the dream part came…. 500 or more VFX artists demonstrated only blocks away from the Dolby (Kodak) theater on Sunday, Oscar day. Waving signs that say… ” I WANT A PIECE OF THE PI TOO”.

  28. vfxboy says:

    great dream make it a reality .

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