Noodling In The VFX Industry

I thought this comment in a previous post was something many of us know about:

Each show starts out creative when you’re on the R&D team, then as production demands and noodling take over its hard to keep caring about the art and just try for finals. Kinda like version 299 thing. too many small changes, just change this, now this, now this, ad nauseum, finding/feeling what they want through lots of versions. There’s 2 levels+ of sups making lots of calls before the director ever sees it. Thats most of the waste. lots of extra work no one sees.

Ah yes. Noodling. The quality assurance process so many of us have lost so much time over. You would think quality assurance is something this industry strives for but sometimes it’s taken to a point where not only does it cost more, but leads to bad results.

Case in point is the way VFX on films are done. They are chopped up and sent to various vendors. Many of us who are artists work for these vendors and there is a gauntlet of approval process that goes like so:

I show a shot to my lead. He asks for changes that he wants so I go back and make the changes. He shows it to the CG Supervisor. He asks for changes that he wants and I go back and make the changes. The CG Supe shows it to the facility-side Digital Effects Supervisor and Visual Effects Supervisor. They ask for changes they want so I go back and make the changes. Finally it goes to the client side VFX Supervisor and ultimately the Director who say:

That’s not what I asked for at all.

And the process starts all over again. Mind you that any notes that need to be addressed have to go through the whole chain of command all over again. Multiply that by the number of shots and vfx vendors and you have yourself a pretty costly and bureaucratic process of getting something in front the head noodlers in charge.

Less people are actually working on the actual shot and more people are busy making decisions that are not what the client is asking for. Then there is the one person who blows the whole thing out of the water:

The Pixel Fucker

I remember one time a supervisor asked an artist to run through another pass just to move an object: Exactly one pixel over.

Is it really necessary to move that object and run it through the pipe all over again? Will this pixel determine the ability for this film to make money and get nominated for an Oscar? Of course not. So why did the pixel fucker obsess over that one pixel?

Probably the same reason some Leads, CG Supes, DFX Supes, VFX Supes, and Directors sometime give useless notes: That one pixel justifies their existence. It says “I’m here, I’m the boss and that pixel is worth every dime they pay me”.

Nevermind many of them don’t last a second when the tables are turned. One CG Supervisor known for his pixel fucking abilities was laid off and had to go back to doing shot work at another facility. Word immediately got out of his inability to do anything competently: “He is stuggling big time. People he used to supervise are showing him the basics!”

Quality Goes Down

While this quality assurance process can be costly, it would be worth it if it led to higher quality results. I’ve found this not to be the case most of the time. I’ve seen elements in their infancy look like Oscar winning masterpieces and somewhere along the way notes are given, knobs are turned, things are asked to go back and be done a different way leading to something that ultimately looks worse. Combine that with tightened schedules and it’s no surprise that many in the industry are noticing the VFX quality take a dive.

Does Adding More Links To The Chain Make It Any Better?

Some will say that I’m being a whiner for bringing this up but to tell you the truth I don’t mind it at all. I’m zen-like when it comes to stupid notes. As long as you keep paying me to go through 58 iterations of a shot I’m more than happy to do it. However, for the facility side producer and director I have a proposal that Dave Rand and former blogger VFX Law have touched on a few times:

How about letting us work directly for your productions instead of going through the vendors? You might save some money and get better results.

Soldier On.


61 Responses to Noodling In The VFX Industry

  1. VFXproletariat says:

    What if… you own the company that shoots the (budget) footage AND the VFX company that makes the profit from fixing it? Due to the cheaper rates and the unlimited free overtime afforded to you by outsourcing to a country without labour laws, the pixel fucker makes money for the VFX facility owners all off the back of the VFX proletariat – cool huh?
    One production I know of had four(4) award winning VFX supervisors flown in just to get more shots finaled, while compositors worked past midnight seven days a week for months making endless changes requested by the director/owner/script writer

  2. postTHis says:

    whoever the supervisor on mars needs moms should have noodled that movie some more. I have seen turds in my toilet bowl more entertaining than that piece of crap. those creepy zombies continue to haunt me.

    • Dave Rand says:

      The other side of that coin is that it takes real courage to pioneer a technique and use it in a film before it’s perfected…because using it in a film is where it is perfected. So someone has to take those steps. Performance capture has a huge future just like sound and color did for film, all of which had their hecklers to. It’s easy to fool the eye with non human forms like the Navi or to spend most of the budget on one human head like in Benjamin Button (the first 52 minutes of Pitt’s characters are all digital from the neck up) What is hard is that final frontier of populating a whole movie cast and extras with a nascent technology in order to get it to the next level, someone has to do it. You’ll see more manikins, and then one day you won’t because someone had the balls to get it there. it’s believed from studies done on infants that the human face is imprinted before birth, fabricating that face out of pixels is the to work of pioneers.

  3. hilscreate says:

    Unfortunately, on top of that having the ability to make changes actually gives the supervisors options to pick and choose. And they sometimes cannot make up their minds because there is so much options.

    Eventually then it will be about personal preferences rather then technical competence of the shot.

    But it is really up to the experienced supes as well as production coordinators/producers to be technically savvy enough to minimise the approval levels.

  4. JWite says:

    Wow – bitter and cynical ! The more I read the postings on this website the more I wonder why the posters choose to work in the industry at all.

    Not saying that every Supervisor is a genius (most are no more than the resident facility ‘lucky rabbits foot’ and valued more for their salesmanship and PR abilities) – but don’t you think that if the Studios could get work done to the same quality *without* employing the rafts of Supes then they would ?

    Ho hum . . .

    Let’s go back to the days of Optical Printing !

  5. Parsh says:

    I’ve actually had a producer say to me in dailies, “Make it more opaque as opposed to less transparent.” (I’m dead serious) and a director say, “Make it awesome-er!”

    I think the VFX world would be better off without vfx producers to be honest.


    • Rob says:

      more opaque, less transparent, ya so….that’s the
      worst you can come up with?

    • John Hanbury says:

      I’ve had many ‘make it awesome-er’ and ‘just make it better’ type comments too, and in some ways those are the best kind of comments to receive.

      It’s a comment that says ‘you’re the expert who know’s what you’re doing, and I don’t know much, so I’ll leave it in your hands to do what you do best’.

      That’s a comment that puts faith in the artist, instead of micro-managing the changes.

  6. n says:

    We used to call this the OPR — the Obligatory Penis Rub that each successive supervisor did to mark his territory.

  7. JWite says:

    So at what point do you think the talent of the average VFX soldier will be exhausted ?

    So far you’ve ditched the VFX Supes, dispensed with VFX Producers . . . I’m waiting for the next posts to be “Why we should be *writing* the scripts, *directing* the films . . .”

  8. James says:

    I cane from film, and am now half on the box and half time supervising for episodic. I’ve seen all of this as an artist. These days though, given that I’m am nit the final word at my facility, I check each shot for mistakes. Technical flaws. If that all passes, I send it up the chain. I’m always mindful of the budget.

    And that’s the thing, isn’t it? Nobody cares about the budget. Shop after shop closes because no one can say no, no one stops the artists from working 16 hour days. No one comes up with a better way to get things done.

    We should all try to be conscious of the things we can control. More facilities should stop burning money on endless revisions and develop better, more honest relationship with the people who have the approval pen.

  9. CS1111 says:

    Lots of people in this “Industry” that should start their own companies and do it their own way. Fucking douche bags as well that waste space and make artists lives harder than they need to be.

  10. CS1111 says:

    Bible thumping audiences demand crap…and CEO’s need the blow and hookers so they just keep feeding those sheep what they know they’ll eat…

    • citizen says:

      … Yeah. That’s it.

    • VFXproletariat says:

      True! I saw it in this hollywood film about hollywood

      Swimming With Sharks

      • VFXPeon says:

        oh look, another link to some of that good ole AMERICAN content you love so much!

        wish you were here!

      • Cloudboy says:

        hahaha – thanks, but I gave up swimming with sharks a long time ago (and so did Kevin Spacey)
        I thought the best way to prove a point is to talk to people in their own language but you are proving that theory wrong, it looks like you don’t even understand irony

      • vfxPeon says:

        what’s ironic is how you constantly bash america and hollywood….yet you are so obsessed with their output.

        also, kevin spacey never stopped “swimming with the sharks.” he works on hollywood movies all the time.

        how’s that green card application coming along?

      • VFXproletariat says:

        It’s no surprise that you’ve distorted my straight forward critque of american corporate culture that you don’t want to hear into what you call “america bashing”. Because you are within the american system you can’t see that it’s the greed of american corporations that has caused the decline of the global worth of the american worker (not to mention the GFC). Thank you for your interest in my green card application – can you fast track it by sponsoring me? My goal in life is to work under the foot of an american boss like all the ‘illegal’ mexican aliens “invading” LA (‘Old Mexico’).
        While I was waiting for my flight to China to consult on another round of VFX outsourcing I came across another article that I know you’ll ignore so I’ll quote it for you: “…there is no such thing as an American job. There is just a job, and in more cases than ever before it will go to the best, smartest, most productive, or cheapest worker—wherever he or she resides.” Maybe you can read it while you’re stuck in that infamous Gadaffi fueled LA traffic?
        The sooner americans realise they are no different to anyone else on this planet the better life will be for all of us

      • VFX Soldier says:

        btw, VFXproletariat/anon/cloudboy:

        Youve posted so many links that wordpress keeps assigning your comments in my spam folder.

      • vfxPeon says:

        again, you claim americans can’t understand your critiques of america, then you cite american critiques of america in backing up your opinion. ironic. and yet somehow your idiocy never becomes apparent to you.

        then you claim that you were just waiting for your next flight on the way to a job meeting, despite the fact that you mentioned earlier that you are retired and have your own private jet. whhy is a retired person still taking business meetings? and why are you stuck waiting around for your next flight when you have your own private jet?

        oh wait, i forgot you live in fantasyland. forget getting a green card to america, first you need to get one for planet earth.

        you claim to be a business mogul putting together big international deals. i doubt it. feel free to prove me wrong, though

      • Dave Rand says:

        all time favorite movie!

  11. john says:

    “how’s that green card application coming along?”

    What does this have to do with the advancement of all vfx artists? The states isn’t a mecca for all things VFX. Please focus on the problems at hand for all of us instead of making it an us VS them.

    • VFXPeon says:

      relax, dude. it’s just a joke. cloudboy/vfxproletariat is a guy (troll) who relentlessly bashes america on this blog despite the fact that he is totally consumed by our content.

      i think everyone here recognizes that there is good work coming from around the globe.

      • john says:

        Sometimes it’s hard to tell when that’s the same comment across different posts.

        Let’s just ignore him.

  12. vfxPeon says:

    also, you claimed:

    “Because you are within the american system you can’t see that it’s the greed of american corporations that has caused the decline of the global worth of the american worker”

    Please find where I suggested otherwise.

    • VFX Soldier says:

      If this blog is about anything it’s about the greed of US studio corporations against artists in all parts of the world. vfxproliteriat/cloudboy attacks my blog for advocating unionization and celebrates work going to places that have no labor laws. Who benefits from that point of view? The US studio corporations, the very entity he claims he is against.

    • VFXproletariat says:

      (MTV: Les Grossman/Ken doll)
      “The hollywood studio CEO reached across the table, grabbed me by the collar and growled: My personal fortune is on the line with this outsourcing deal, you better not f–k this up or I’ll come down there and cut your balls off…” -oscar winning VFX supervisor
      The best way I can illustrate the double standard of hollywood is to assume the persona of the people in power and demonstrate their thought processes. If I’m attacking anything it’s the erroneous double standards that most americans live by and that a minority of liberal american commentators such as Colbert draw attention to. It would be amusing if it wasn’t so sad to see those that work for the american dream factory gradually waking up to the wholesale manipulation that’s going on.
      The whole american capitalist system is designed to keep the american elite on top at the expensive of workers. Unionization is an illusion that american corporations have been fighting against since the start of the WTO. Unfortunately, the american influenced WTO globalization expansion has lead to an increasing adoption of american values world wide (such as ‘one dollar one vote’, energy privatization etc.)
      The continuing theme in my posts has been that once you pick the thread of working conditions in the first world, in a WTO globalized economy it will always lead back to the common denominator of downward pressure – working conditions in the third world. When I pointed this out I was accused of “america bashing”. This is probably due to the sense of entitlement most americans are born with, they take for granted advantages that were negotiated from a post WWII terms of trade etc.
      “White House Press Briefing Q: Does the President believe that, given the amount of energy Americans consume per capita, how much it exceeds any other citizen in any other country in the world, does the President believe we need to correct our lifestyles to address the energy problem?
      ARI FLEISCHER: That’s a big no. The President believes that it’s an American way of life, and that it should be the goal of policy makers to protect the American way of life. The American way of life is a blessed one.”

      • VFX Soldier says:

        Americans Vfx artists are living a double standard? How so?

      • VFXPeon says:

        what is your point?

        you claim to be “consulting” on chinese sweatshops…and then you complain that foreigners that come to the u.s. to work are sellouts and that america is greedy.

        what is your end goal? to have everyone working in chinese sweatshops and being thankful for the opportunity?

      • VFXproletariat says: (smith/superman)
        A double standard? Because they feel they are entitled to better work conditions than fellow employees their employers have in other countries (that allow slave labor etc.) If people in hollywood really gave a damn about working conditions they would quit hollywood and go and support human rights campaigns instead of insisting they deserve their grossly inflated american standard of living.
        Are you dyslexic or something? I just admitted in the post above that I’ve impersonated several industry personas to illustrate the evil thinking of hollywood employers and show just how bad your employers/enemies are. As some liberal commentators have suggested, while the baby boomers have been gorging on the future of their children, peoples rights have eroded to the point where a unilateral government can’t even deliver a basic platform for the future.
        My goal is to help americans realize they are no better than anyone else and are not entitled to live at the expense of others. I’m assuming readers of this blog won’t understand this because they’ve probably never traveled outside LA or visited a third world country. They will just dismiss my comments as “trolling”.
        Calling for unionization in hollywood is futile until you remove the root cause of the problem; american corporations exaggerated sense of entitlement. The best way to do that is virtualize knowledge work, and avoid closed platform monopolies like Apple and Facebook. Fat chance of that when there’s so many brainwashed zombies out there. (mulholland Dr)

      • vfxPeon says:

        wow, what a statement.

        let’s start with your claim that americans “feel they are entitled to better work conditions than fellow employees their employers have in other countries.”

        where has anyone on this blog ever suggested that? can you find it? i doubt it.

        i would LOVE for all my international peers to be able to work under decent conditions and get paid well for their jobs. the fact is, a lot of people in other countries get work BECAUSE they are willing to work under crappy conditions and poor pay. i’m not a billionaire media mogul or a sweatshop owner, so its not really my call.

        then you claim that if i really cared, i would quit my job and become a human rights worker. why is it my job to fight for other peoples’ wages on the other side of the globe? if i wanted to, that’s my business, but not my obligation. are YOU a human rights worker? what have you ever done in life other than post inane contradictory comments on blogs?

        this blog, as far as i can tell, is a tool for people to STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES. i am here to better the situation in my community. i welcome people across the globe to do the same.

        you are so self-riteous. always pointing fingers at everyone else. what have you ever done that is so great? my guess…nothing.

      • Dave Rand says:

        I had not seen this bit…very funny thanks!

      • vfxPeon says:

        also, while i agree that american corporations are greedy, do you really think this is a uniquely american problem? do you honestly think corporations in other countries are benevolent and fair?

        but are american companies REALLY the root cause of the problems of workers in other countries? maybe if their governments gave a shit, they would enact minimum wages, overtime, workers comp, and other labor laws like we have here in the states. maybe if workers in other countries formed unions they could get a better deal for themselves.

        of course, this would take away the incentives of outsourcing and force the artists of certain countries to either up their game or generate their own content instead of sucking the hollywood teat. but hey, that shouldn’t be too tough, right? after all, if all those lazy americans you hate so much can do it, anyone can, right?

  13. Marcus says:

    The comments section on this article has become flooded by one person’s delusional trolling so bad, it’s useless. I hope this won’t become the norm 😦

  14. Dave Rand says:

    The gang’s all here I see….. anyway back to noodling, it was Rutger Hauer who once told me while talking about the movie Bottlerocket at the old Blockbuster in Venice California:

    “It’s all a matter of taste” That stuck with me over the years for two main reasons:

    1.) Rutger is a force not just a person, maybe something to do with his character in Bladerunner… I don’t really know, but in person he’s like a cumulonimbus, anyway I always remembered that moment.

    2.) I truly believe the only way to streamline a production is to get the decision maker, usually the director, in the same breathing space as the vfx artists. It’s all a matter of his taste, and that has as much to do with what he had for breakfast that morning as what he had for breakfast on the same day when he was 9. Anything else just cost more money. What you save by outsourcing you lose by distance. Video conferencing does not cut it. It’s like directing actors from your iPhone with a little fucked up app.

    I’ve seen this in action, helped build a shop around this premise, and it has huge profit margins with mostly union employees right dead center in Hollywood.

  15. misha says:

    This is a bit off-topic and I don’t want to hijack the thread…but there are a few relevant points that have been covered here before. The relevance was also covered By Scott Squires recently.

    From Democracy Now, Friday, March25

    100 Years After Triangle Fire, Tragedy in Bangladesh and Anti-Union Bill in Wisconsin Highlight Workers’ Enduring Struggles:

    CHARLES KERNAGHAN: And what’s so incredible is that it’s going on in broad daylight. That struggle in Bangladesh with three-and-a-half million garment workers, 80 percent of them young women, that may have been the largest social justice struggle in the history of the world on the part of women, but no one even knew about it. It’s out of sight, it’s out of mind. And this is going on in China. It’s going on in Vietnam.

    It’s—right now, we’re calling for legislation that would say to the U.S. companies, because we can only deal here with the United States, that you can make your products anywhere in the world—we believe in fair trade—but if that product is made by a child or if it’s made by a young woman forced to work 15 hours a day, seven days a week, who’s stripped of their rights and paid pennies an hour and doesn’t have the right to organize, that product will not be able to enter the United States, and that product won’t be sold in the United States, and that product won’t be exported from the United States. And so, we’ve introduced some legislation in the Congress—in the 110th Congress we introduced it. We ended up getting 175 co-sponsors in the House and 26 in the Senate, including at that time Senator Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. And then it just ran out of steam. The companies saw what we were doing and moved in, and the thing was shut down. But if we don’t take some control over the global economy, we’re all going to be working for $3.18 an hour, without a doubt, with no benefits. I mean, we’re going downhill so fast, it’s remarkable.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, Steve, I know I mentioned this earlier, but I’d like to focus on this, because often it’s not fully understood that—what collective bargaining represents, because I’ve worked in both union and non-union places. And in a non-union place, it’s basically you, and whatever the boss says, that’s what happens. You have no rights—


    JUAN GONZALEZ:—in the normal workplace, other than the basic federal rights that are guaranteed by Congress. But you basically have no right to bargain about how your labor is going to be used, what kind of conditions you’re going to work under, you know, what kind of increases you’re going to have, whether you’re even going to have your job, and—so that collective bargaining, in my mind, really represents a form of democracy in the workplace.

    STEVE FRASER: Yes, you have industrial autocracy. You have what you had back at the time of the fire, where there’s—where you’re employed at will, and the sanctity of private property allows the employer to treat you in any way he chooses to, whether that’s about firing and hiring, whether it’s about the rate at which you work, the amount at which you work, what he pays you, the hours of work. And it means you have no voice, no voice in all of those circumstances that determine your fate. So it’s a fundamental democratic right and human right. Collective bargaining has been understood that way through a good part of the 20th century because of the Triangle fire and what followed it. And we can’t lose it. It’s too precious.

    CHARLES KERNAGHAN: Well, you know, the American people have to understand that this economy also belongs to the American people and not just the corporations. So, right now the corporations have all the laws they need to protect their products. They have intellectual property rights and copyright laws, so if you make a knockoff of Barbie Doll or something like that or Microsoft, you’re going to go to jail. You’re never going to work again. You’ll go to prison. They’ll shut you down. But when we said to the companies, we said, “Look, you have laws to protect, you know, your products,” they said, “Yes, we need a level playing field on the global economy.” So we said, “OK, can’t we have similar laws to protect the rights of the human beings, the 16-year-old woman in Indonesia who make Barbie Doll? Can’t we protect her rights, as well?” They said, “No, that would be an impediment to free trade.” So the American people allow corporations to have laws to protect their trademarks and their products, but we can’t have laws to protect the rights of human beings. Until that changes, until there’s legislation, we’re going to just be in this race to the bottom.

    • VFXproletariat says:

      That is a great piece …maybe it is off topic, as we’ve found out on this blog, the closer you live to the corporations the more rights you have. Corporate sovereignty counts and we should all be begging for green cards. Those starving workers that are approached by WTO supported companies should just form a union and tell those companies to keep their jobs. We have it good in comparison…

      • vfxPeon says:

        i think my last post was pretty clear, but you don’t really care to listen.

        foreign workers have the same options that americans do regarding improvement of their conditions…

        a. individually bargain for better conditions

        b. collectively bargain for better conditions

        c. quit, and do something else

        it seems to me that option b is the most sensible choice for people who’d like to remain in their professions.

        why do other countries have lax labor laws and low minimum wages? because that’s the carrot that lures jobs overseas. of course, maybe if people like you actually created your own industry in your neck of the woods instead of relying on hollywood for work, you wouldn’t have to bitch and moan about it all the time.

        then again, this would require you to get off your ass, and do something other than complain, which is apparently the only thing you are capable of doing. what do you do for a living again?

      • VFXproletariat says:

        The choice is so simple for americans – isn’t it? As has already been discussed, the choices you offer would be the ones available if their was no america dominated WTO or world bank or world police. There’s always going to be weak countries with workers with no leverage and there’s always going to be capitalists wanting to take advantage. You happen to live in a country at the top of the pile. Not because you’re any better but because america was the only developed country left standing after the war and took every advantage of it. As you’ve pointed out, it’s a shame we can’t all be americans -like Denis Leary

        Me? I’m not complaining. I made friends with hollywood execs early on and made them even more money at the expense of their workers, they tipped me big so now I can sit back and laugh at the next generation. As you suggest, you just gotta know how to work the hollywood system. Like some american celebrities with more money than they know what to do with, I’ve started to feel a little guilty…

      • misha says:

        We are the people who created this industry…look around… how do you think vfx became so prevalent. People doing the research and work to create the vfx that you do now… do you write your own software? I always get a kick from the people who become adept at a software package, and then begin to believe they’re as smart as the people who wrote it. Where’s the humility? Do you guys even who Cook and Torrance are?


      • VFXproletariat says:

        I agree. Software developers are gods. Remember those american VFX developers that auctioned themselves on Ebay when their jobs were outsourced OS? Maya and Softimage were written by programmers subsidized by the Canadian government – and what about Entropy?
        america is just a huge baby boomer party subsidized by the have-nots (poor countries)

        (boomers toasting to globalisation)
        Is it just a coincidence that the cracks are beginning to show as they retire? Globalization was just invented so they could retire earlier

  16. misha says:

    …left out “even know who”… sorry about the rant…it’s just we are the people in the industry and we want to make it better for everyone.. one way being a vfx union.

  17. VFXLaw says:

    VFXProletariat, why do you bother trolling here claiming to have made studios a fortune (and yourself a tip in the process), and at the same time you bash american workers…and you are one of us?!

    First off, I work in the studio system, and I am privy to information the likes of you will never be. There is no tipping, or big pay days as a “thank you”, only what you negotiate. Anything left on the table is your own fault.

    Secondly, the studios don’t care about outsourcing. All they want is to maximize subsidies and tax incentives for the studio, no matter where in the world they exist. They use american subsidies just as much as foreign ones.

    Finally, go troll elsewhere. Since it is obvious you aren’t anyone more than a troll with links to useless info, maybe you should find something better to do…like get a job?

    There is plenty of work here in the US, and most of us are doing just fine, despite your doom and gloom preaching.

    VFX Law, out.

    • VFXproletariat says:

      You can negotiate a tip?
      So you are an expert on hollywood accounting? Cool.
      What I’m trying to point out is the absolute hypocrisy of the american corporate system and the WTO in general. (More “useless info” that doesn’t support your argument for unions)
      You’re right, studios don’t care about outsourcing or off-shoring because they don’t need to engage in it. They are the same company no matter what country they open a shop in. They just move their incorporation to whatever country has the least restrictions to trade.
      Corporate sovereignty doesn’t matter. The studios we work for can cross international boundaries and law jurisdictions as fast as it takes to boot up (oscar©™ winning) Cinesync. VFX artists are just the latest in a long line of workers to have their skills turned into a globalized commodity. It’s sad but totally predictable that americans only lift a finger when their jobs are threatened even though american companies have been taking advantage of workers outside america for decades.

    • vfxPeon says:

      if you’re so rich, how come you’re not using your wealth to help out all those people you claim to care about so much?

      oh right, because your money just like your bullshit story is a figment of your feeble imagination.

      i’m pretty sure the last thing a rich and retired person does with their free time is spend it trolling on vfx labor blogs.

      again, i’d love to hear about all of your amazing contributions to society that justify your self-riteous, holier-than-thou attitude. please, it would really make my day!

      • VFXproletariat says:

        (I am der VFX law)
        Hey- come on, give me a break! I’m in Haiti getting high on cheap coke and lifting sacks of rice for all these poor people. I only take a break to do paid interviews with american current affairs shows or the occasional multi-million dollar contract for a hollywood movie…

        (Team america FAG)
        If VFX supervisors getting their staff to dance around their VFX facility and sports cars with their Indian interns to a Bollywood soundtrack doesn’t make your day I don’t know what will…,18929/
        (Watchmen dream)

      • vfxPeon says:

        wow, can’t even admit when you’ve lost an argument, huh? oh well, enjoy your youtube links! come back when you learn how to have a big boy conversation.

      • VFXproletariat says:

        (We Want Your Soul)
        Win an argument? You can’t win an argument against self-delusion.
        “There is plenty of work here in the US, and most of us are doing just fine…”
        No one says there aren’t jobs, this blog is about the deteriorating conditions of american jobs because american workers have diminishing leverage- but they still want to drive hummers and support american medical corporations (and their share holders). The people who develop business opportunities for the american studio system (and their share holders) don’t give a crap about nationality they just want profit.
        Oh- and yes, I enjoy, there’s nothing better than self-referential satire to get one’s message across

        (State and Main)

      • VFXPeon says:

        again, you lose your argument when you refuese to even engage in it. posting irrelevant youtube links doesn’t prove your point. you can’t even answer my questions, probably because the answers embarass you.

        you are so self-riteous yet you have never accomplished anything. prove me wrong, if you like.

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    vfxPeon, you know the thing with trolls, is that when you feed them, they keep coming back 🙂

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