Animation Fraud In India

Last year I posted about exploitation of workers at Prime Focus in India. Well now things are starting to snowball with demonstrations and a Facebook page dedicated to exposing expensive VFX and Animation training institutes in India.

I’ve said often that I believe the amount of work going to cheap labor locations like India is overstated.

Below is a statement from the Facebook page:

The truth about animation industry in India.
the “ANIMATION” industry in India is going through a very tough time. most of the big animation studios like crest, prana, dq entertainment, big animation are removing people in huge numbers. most of the studios have reduced to half or less than half of there original strength.most of the studios don’t have any new projects for future. no one knows when any of them might close.
but still nobody is telling this to the students and there parents. the animation institutes are still projecting a rosy picture of the industry. they are the only people making money. they charge lakhs of rupees from students, selling dreams of working in animation industry and in companies like pixar dreamworks etc. they give them dreams of working in Hollywood. but in reality there education is so pathetic that the students don’t even get selected in indian studios. and with all the job cuts happening there is no demand for any new people.In fact the people who are working in companies also don’t know when they might be thrown out. but still the institutes are throwing around figures and statements like “Indian animation industry needs 100000 people” “Indian animation industry is a mutli billion dollar industry” and stuff like that.
the truth is that there is no “boom” in industry.
coming to the salary .the salary is disgusting. u get 6000 to 7000 per month after spending about 1.5-2 lakh rupees and have to work long hours. how can u survive with such salaries in metros(like mumbai,delhi,hyderabad,banglore etc) where all the studios are situated.
and there is no work satisfaction. all the so called animation companies in india are sweatshops for US and europe companies. the main selling point of the animation education by institutes is “CREATIVITY” “IDEAS” ETC. but u don’t get creative freedom in the companies.

and regarding the placement of there students that the institutes say , people should ask them how many students among the so called “Placed” students work in a actual “Animation” or “VFX” company.
the truth is that most of the so called “Placed” students work as graphic designers at small time companies ranging from photo studios(where there job is cleaning images of people) to designing pamphlets for coaching classes. and they get salaries about 5000.
Also they make there students faculties.when the person has not worked in the industry how can he teach others about it.

115 Responses to Animation Fraud In India

  1. rfk says:

    “lakh rupees” is 100,000 rupees which is about $1800

  2. jillm says:

    this just in: Rhythm & Hues officially dropped the Kuala Lumpur studio on their official website

    http://www.rhythm.com/ < Kuala Lumpur is not listed along other international studios

    http://www.rhythm.com/about/locations/kuala-lumpur/overview/ < 404 error

    • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

      And they also recently found out that B.C. tax incentives don’t infact qualify if you just try running an empty studio operation as a backdoor outsourcing base to India. Watch this space ….

  3. CG Joe says:

    “(the) industry in India is going through a very tough time…. but still nobody is telling this to the students and their parents.”

    Hmm sounds familiar! Perhaps things are no so different over there after all…

    • James B says:

      This is one of the biggest issues that isn’t really being discussed right now. The schools are still pumping out hundreds of vfx hopefuls a month into a largely over-saturated market. There is a reason DD was entertaining the idea of having students pay to work. Why discuss paid overtime when unpaid regular time is an option?

      • CG Joe says:

        It’s not a recent issue although it gets worse every year. Education all over the western world realized that 3D training was a goldmine and has been churning out 10x more grads than the industry needed for at least a decade now. The only silver lining is that most of these grads are unemployable, so if you actually worked your ass off during school and are half talented you’re still in with a shot.

      • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

        @CG Joe

        But what do you mean by ‘a shot’ or ‘success’? A few credits and maybe a 5 year run at large studio or two? Topping maybe $100K until the next desparate entrant is slotted into place? Is that going to to get you anywhere in life? After paying taxes and working crazy hours, will that pay for a house in North America and a little nest egg after your 5 year run dissolves? No, it isn’t. you may have a few credits on a few films one or two of your freinds thought was entertaining, then forgot about. Meanwhile, your freinds you stayed in their home town and became an accountant, plumber, restaurant owner, electrician, they probably do have a big chunk of the house paid for, decent working hours, their own business or boss, reliable work and family life, a career for probably a ifetime ahead. What will you have? What skills does CG really give you in other fields? Nearly none. Alot of those CG schools don’t train you for anything much you couldn’t learn off your own back. Early on in this business, people came in from real engineering or art backgrounds or courses and often kept in touch with their core professions. That isn’t the case now. These training centers are all foam. Even the software programming ones like Bournemmouth, vancouver, are not academically solid. ‘Shader writer’ and ‘pipeline’ engineer are useless in terms of being a real engineer or technologist. Same with the CG art courses. Most of those fok will not really develop the skills to turn to commercial art as a living.

  4. Michael says:

    Isnt this exactly what’s been going on in the US for years? All I’ve seen is schools telling students a rosy dream career when there is no chance of them ever getting a job in entertainment.

    • Yanni says:

      But some people do get dream jobs. Some don’t There’s always been the haves and the have nots.

      • Scott Squires says:

        Yes but now schools are exploiting those people trying to get their dream jobs. And in the process fleecing the students and loading down them and US with their debts.

      • CG Joe says:

        When casino’s market their product, they show you winners, not losers. The catch is that the odds are really stacked against you winning, but you should know that already. Winning is possible, but losing is more likely.

        3D education marketing is exactly the same. Most schools can dig back into their past graduates and find someone who now works at a brand name VFX house. They then tell prospective students “John Smith studied here and now works at Ace studios!” but they don’t tell you about the 50 other people who graduated in his year who are now manning the prestigious counters of doughnut king or who work in an entirely different industry. They also don’t tell you that John Smith studied there 6 years ago, and worked his way up through 4 non-famous studios before he worked at Ace, and therefore they can’t take much credit for his success that far down the line after graduation.

        You don’t find out until you get inside a school exactly how they juiced the numbers, but you can be sure they are almost always juiced. One example is graduate surveys that simply ask “have you been employed (anywhere) in the 12 months after graduating” and this then becomes a “85% of our graduates are employed!” statistic presented to potential students. Doesn’t matter if you only worked at burger king, or only worked for 2 weeks out of 52, they will count you as a success statistic. Then they focus on a few people with higher profile success in VFX to put a human face on the school.

        The real truth about student success stories is this: most of the time when a student goes right from school to a high profile studio that student had prior training and/or experience. If you don’t believe that look into these success stories yourself through these student’s blogs and google and a pattern of prior exposure and mature age will be there most of the time. Most 3D noobs considering training would be shocked at the number of “success stories” who were already in the industry when they took this or that 3D course… Unfortunately for the average student they have little to no hope of emulating that success right after graduation. 3D is not easy.

        The other key thing to remember about success stories is that some people are so dedicated and focused they would have succeeded no matter which school they attended. When you see someone with student work so good it’s obviously 400% better than the average student work of that school, you can be confident that person would have succeeded almost anywhere, because they are clearly proactively teaching themselves. People capable of proactive self teaching will succeed with or without training- In these cases education just accelerates things a bit. When you see examples of successful students work as part of education marketing, you should always try to find out how many people attend that school. If you see 10 great student projects but they had 300 people enrolled, you are obviously only seeing the top 3% of students, which is a highly misleading sample.

        Education is a wonderful thing, and some schools are definitely providing a higher quality of training than others. There are some really good schools and dedicated teachers out there. It’s also true that a proportion of students will not succeed no matter how good their training might be, they just don’t have what it takes. However this doesn’t change the fact most students enrol chasing a dream that has been aggressively marketed to them which is statistically very unlikely to come true, and the schools absolutely know this.

        I’m not even saying this is unethical… after all if someone wants to sell you a soda they tell you how great it tastes, not that it will make you fat. That’s life. Just remember no matter what school you go to make sure you work your ass off because there will be no refunds at the end if you can’t get a job.

  5. Csosa says:

    This technical education industry is just another housing industry waiting to collapse if not already. I had no idea it was occurring this far over seas.

    It seems that the industry whether it be in Animation or VFX is having to deal with conforming to a global market. The age old saying “Do you want it good, fast, cheap – Pick Two” never seemed so prevalent as now.

    Perhaps one day the education system will become more realistic, a VFX trade organization will form, and unionization of VFX artists will solidify a healthier business model for future companies.

    Until then it seems it is a dream for many.

    • j says:

      They asked a producer if you want it “Do you want it good, fast, or cheap – Pick Two”

      The Producer Replies…. “Ill Take Cheap Twice”…..

      • James B says:

        “…And we’re doing Saturdays for the next little while”

      • jackadullboy says:

        Quite.. I’ve been working 10 to 12 hour days and 6-day weeks at a major BC studio since January (6 months) with no end in sight.

        On the plus side, we get the occasional email thanking us for our continued ‘dedication’.

      • Yanni says:

        That’s about as valuable as telling a hooker “thanks for blowing me, that felt great.”

        In the end, where is the payment for the blow job. That’s all the hooker cares about. VFX/Motion people should be the same. Work is work.

        What irks me is the arrogant lack of support from the motion graphics community. What that tells me is, they are next. Actually, they are already midway into the process. They are blinded by arrogance. I expect by this time next year they will be equally as pissed. As long as wage theft is considered okay there will be a gradual decline in that industry as well.

      • Nick says:

        jackadullboy. Are you getting paid overtime?

      • jackadullboy says:

        Nick.. Yes, I should clarify we do get paid overtime, so ‘wage theft’ doesn’t apply In this case.

        However.. working those hours for the best part of the duration of a project (becoming the norm nowadays) has those other associated costs of which we’re all aware.

        Overtime is meant to be a disincentive for companies to overwork people. It doesn’t seem to be working..

      • LA_isDead says:

        Jackadullboy, I’ve been unemployed in LA for the last eight months since both the studios I was working for have been outsourcing the work to Vancouver. If you have too many hours, I’d be happy to fill in.

        It could be worse…

      • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

        @LA_isDead

        Don’t be under any illusions here. From what I hear, Vancouver is also pretty sick at the moment with a large number of ex-L.A. and London peops stranded in a small town with 200 applications for every job. Basically, the entire West Coast is fooked and the few remaining places with work are grinding rates down to McDonalds levels (seriously, one of the largest particular studios in Vancouver is paying senior artists around $20 per hour). To be honest, the only way out now is to have an alternative trade and turn down most of the crappier jobs that may come along (since the contracts are generally always broken anyway), to maybe get the illusion of some negogiating power in your job. It’s not a cheerful prognosis but don’t shoot the messanger. Hollywood wants it this way. Visuals andf film sets built by desparate non-unionised staff, ideally in China and India where human rights and laws won’t get in the way. I can’t complain, I was in early and made some cash along the way, but what I see now is wages lower than 10 years ago, and getting lower, contracts shorter and more fragile, and getting shorter and more fragile with every year. The career path for most now is to become a total bullshitter stuffed-shirt, general supervisor with 1000+ contacts on linkedin in and a nifty power point presentation skill. But then, you may as well do it for real and try working in a proper paying environment in Wall Street or somewhere. The rewards have long gone in this industry.

      • LA_isDead says:

        Yeah, I’m aware that it’s tough everywhere. LA is the perfect storm right now with a lot of talent and no work. Vancouver is going through the same thing since Montreal and Toronto raised their subsidies. I can totally relate to their situation, it’s just hard to feel sorry for them when they had done the same thing to us. It’ll be the same pattern as work pulls out of town to chase after the subsides. As soon as there’s enough infrastructure in Toronto and Montreal, they’ll shift everything over.

        In the end, you can’t really say China or India will be the big winners when the studios are going there to exploit the work force. Most likely much worse than they did here in North America.

        It would be nice to think that this vacuum would spur on more independent production. Something outside the Big Studios monopoly of distribution. Maybe a web-based distribution model. I’d like to think that the Big Studios are actually shooting themselves in the foot by creating more competition. Maybe that’s what the Studios see coming, and that’s why they’re in such a hurry to maximize profits while they can.

        I’ve been in the VFX business for the last 14 years. Long enough that I don’t have any skill set that’s applicable outside the industry. But, if there’s no work, there’s no work. Time to switch gears I guess.

        We’ll see.

      • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

        Yeah, I hear ya. I think there is going to always exist little pockets of a real profession and real companies, just like every so often a worldwide film hit comes out of the French, Spanish, Argentian, Irish, etc., film industries. Maybe all this current corporate manipulation will help consolidate the remaining committed firms and professionals.

        I can definitely see quite a few of the biggest studios have been caught sailing to close to the wind in the past five years, assuming that some piece of software or outsourcing will work out because of some producer’s hubris, with the thought in the back of the mind that all the outsourcers and college kids new on the job can be backed up in the last few months of project, if the s*** hits the fan, by trawling for freelance professionals (who were probably laid off few years ealier from same company). Maybe alot of VFX pros really now need to stop feeding this game, diversify so that the ‘s***-hitting-the-fan” hiring is cut off. I honestly think studios like DD, R+H, and to an extent almost any studio of a decent size, have been in this situation for a few years now. Maybe a few non-delivery projects and law suits against vendors will help shake things up for them.

        @Tiamet mentionned one of the most important things you will ever likely read on a blog if you want to understand this world, and industry, you live in. Yes, people like the Carlyle group and other private, non-elected and non-accountable organisations, like the United Nations, World Trade Organisation, Internationl Monetary Fund, World Bank, Federal Reserve, BoE, (all the world’s private central banks infact), International Policy Commitee on Climate Change, many more, all invisibly manipulate you and your country’s law’s and business climates to their own agenda. Your presidents and prime ministers are just their to sugar coat the agendas for you to swallow every four or five years at election time. But because nobody pays attention or raises their voices on important issues, or holds politicos accountable, it all works just dandy for them.

        India and China did not pull themselves up by the boot straps. Really, nations that have spent thousands of years in poverty, turmoil, civil and religious war and dictatorship, suddenly pulled things together in the last 30 years? REALLY? No, international trade is manipulated by private organisations and politicians with the help of international banking organisations. Cheap slave labor and no human rights, funded with Wall street and city of London ficticious computer digits is the agenda. The west has been deindutrialised deliberately and shifted to the east artificially. Free trade and rule of law may as well be placed alongside pinocchio, bambi and other fairy tales for the gullible to believe.

        This bullshit will implode at some point, but it could be too far away for most. In the meantime, it means getting out of this business or concentrating on locally funded movie projects.

    • LA_isDead says:

      The “World Market” and “Free Trade” were never set up to help the worker, or the consumer for that matter. The consumer makes a good scape goat though.

      The really sad part is, the corporations have such a tight control on the political scene that most of what they do isn’t illegal. If they want to do something they just craft a law and run it through their political machine. I’d have to disagree with the statement that they’re doing everything invisibly. A lot of it is pretty blatant. Take a look at pretty much any appointed position with power or money attached to it. They’re all staffed by corporate cronies.

      I don’t want to come off as a conspiracy theorist, but there are a lot of systems in place to make sure the money keeps flowing. The World Bank, The G8, The G20, The UN. “Joe Public” isn’t the main concern.

      Personally, I’d be happier working on sub-million dollar websodes vs. working on 100 million dollar movies and having to deal with all the hassle. Maybe we can get away from Execs trying to play Speillberg, and get back to having the artist do the creative thinking. Good content still has a lot of value. If you can create that content you should be able to make money doing it. The web provides a method of distribution, and various forms of marketing ( getting the consumer to pay for the content) are starting to develop. We’ll have to see what emerges out of the next year or two.

      • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

        That’s the thing, “conspiracy” is so drummed into people’s pscyhe nowadays that alot of folk just can’t stop, analyse and think crytically about issues. It’s been replaced by a pablovian dog response. You can usually shoehorn in some buzzwords like “terrorism!”, “climate change!”, “racism!” and there you go, end of conversation, end of thinking.

        I absolutley have strong hopes for a next generation of direct-to-viewer internet content with artists and technologists actually getting the lion’s share of returns for their efforts. I am sure the current corporate setup will do their best to kill it off through the political and legal systems or take it over like the current studio-vendor business model. But this will be a harder nut to crack for them. I am positive for the future for this model, it’s the only way forward. Thankfully, humans are inquisitive, playful creatures and get bored quickly. The current hollywood corporate studio model is very episodic and repetitive, and I am pretty sure it will be all software menu driven anyway soon. People will always tire and look for something different and something they can relate to personally.

        I would throw in the towel in the current VFX studio model and concentrate on just this effort. It is up and running now and some people are making a (far better) living from it.

        Here’s one for you: checkout “pirate my film.com”, a movement for direct project funding on the net. for technology developers, checkout “kickstarter.com” for direct business funding. There is a new future path developing right now and just think about it. Do you think being an artist or technologist in a studio setup now is going to last any length? Why wait 1 or three years (if you are lucky) for your wage levels to grind down to Burger-Flipper level or outsource to china or india? It’s inevitable, get ahead now and get out, start thinking and working towards it now and invest some spare time in the next generation of production. Because eventually, this globalised. super-corporate formulaic business machine will just produce blandness and tedium, people will switch off in numbers at some stage. And eventually Chinese and Indian folk making the movies will wake up to slave status and lack of future growth for them also. The industry is worth fighting for but it means killing off the current situation along the way.

  6. Tiamet says:

    I have posted about this in other topics here, in hopes that someone may be able to add information here. I am still hoping that someone out there might have some more information about what may be done about this fact: In 2011 a private British investment firm called “The Carlyle Group” bought both The Foundry and Getty Images, and then the shit really hit the fan in our industry. I find this troubling and so should you because the Carlyle group are an elite group of high ranking politicos that have been known to manipulate foreign markets illegally to make massive profits on investments, typically turning more than 500% profits in less than a year on any given investment by using political clout to evade tariffs and create fraudulent tax incentives internationally. No one seems to want to focus on the actual causes for our woes because, I am afraid, very few of us want to believe that our trusted politicians and civil servants are as corrupt as they are. It is as if we are being robbed by the police and then running to the police station for help. How’s that working for you?

    • Easy says:

      Things aren’t so great in NYC either. I am not positive that the woes elsewhere are the reason, but I can’t imagine that a few thousand people out of work will not affect our opportunities here. Meanwhile companies are free to outsource or hire foreign artists without ever being compelled to utilize existing talent. It’s become time for me to move on. It’s been close to 20 years in this business for me, most of it freelance. I’m ready for a change. I’m tired of searching for the next few weeks or months of work, tired of the long hours and lack of opportunities to grow and tired of the lack of any kInd of stability. I might lose the cool factor of my daily work but I think I’m ok with it. In fact, all of these changes in the industry might have just done me a favor to nudge me out, on to other things that will ensure I can take care of myself and my family over the next 20 years and beyond. A 9-5 for 6 figure base salary with bonus and full work benefits like a friend of mine is doing sounds great right about now, even if the work is more corporate and isn’t nearly as cool as working on a film or creative commercial. One door closes another one opens.

      • Yanni says:

        But will you get the six fig corporate job? Never look a gift horse in the mouth.

        Does sound like time to move on for you. But dont blaze out without a way back in. If it were easy for everyone to get a six fig corp job…people everywhere would jump. That said there are ways to invent a new job for yourself. Good luck. Hope you find peace.

      • scottsquires says:

        6 figure job – If you’re not working full time then you really may not have a 6 figure job. If you’re having to cover benefits, retirement, health care and other things out of your pocket you may not have a 6 figure job. Also be sure to calculate how much overtime and if you’re even paid for overtime. Once you make all the subtractions for things out of pocket, per hour and only working part of any given year, you may be surprised to learn the difference is not that big. And for that you might get more normal hours to spend with family, you might be able to live somewhere where houses and the cost of living are much less, you might get full coverage and even bonuses and other extras. Money is not the only quantifier to having a happy life.

      • Yanni says:

        Scott. Good points.

      • Easy says:

        Sorry Scott, I really don’t think you are clear where I am coming from. All of that doesn’t apply to what I was talking about. There are still quite a few people who make a very decent living without having to work the kind of hours and lack of support and benefits that are typical for VFX. Crazy right?

  7. really? says:

    Isn’t Jeff Okun part of Prana? Nice to see who the VES sleeps with.

  8. Dave Rand says:

    Shipping this new model overseas….

    Talent is not required for admission into vfx education. Although conventional art Schools like Rhode Island School of Design cary a strict selection process, our Politicians and Bankers are making a grab for guaranteed student loan cash by admitting anyone who can sign their name by selling them on a lucrative dream job. You can be designing the next Iron Man suit: considerable artistic and technical talent is not a requirement ..just a signature, that is all you need.

    No big surprise who’s behind some of our vfx schools here in the good ole USA, read on :

    “The $81,000 video game art program, for instance, graduated just 14 percent of its 272 students on time and only 38 percent at all, while the students carried a median debt load of nearly $59,000”

    To read the whole article and see who’s behind :
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/us/politics/mitt-romney-offers-praise-for-a-donors-business.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

    ” A race to the bottom — a race to maximize profits by short-changing students and taxpayers — ensued. It propelled a decade of waste, fraud, and abuse with taxpayer dollars by this industry, which now hauls in about $32 billion a year in federal aid.”

    EDMC (41% owned by our good friends at Goldman Sachs) owns The Art Institutes.

    More on this here
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/davidhalperin/edmc-professors-and-stude_b_1909449.html

    It’s no wonder that anywhere hollywood and gameland emerge this crap soon follows. According to a top manager at one of the renowned VFX shops with ownership in India:

    “…about 8 out of 1,000 that we train are even capable of being in production” sad news for an already beaten down population.

  9. miss anon says:

    “institutes are still projecting a rosy picture of the industry”

    sounds like escape studios….

  10. Yanni says:

    COLLIDER NY: VFX TOWN HALL
    http://www.stashmedia.tv/?p=17118

  11. Yanni says:

    Overheard a woman talking about this sleep study conducted at Stanford. The more sleep the ballers got, the success of the free throws increased. Or could be they were just getting better. But nonetheless interesting. Why am I posting this here? There might be a correlation to VFX and endless death marches.

    There are several articles regarding the study. Here’s one take…

    http://www.technologyreview.com/view/424608/extra-sleep-boosts-basketball-players-prowess/

  12. Yanni says:

    Chicago Sun-Times lays off photography staff, plans to use freelance photographers going forward
    http://t.co/Xl6jxVQFjL

  13. First I admire the art behind the VFX and strive to get as good as some of these insanely talented men and women. I just have one question, and please forgive my ignorance, but why not gather all of the artist and create your own productions? Compete against the studios making your own productions. Seems to me they truly need you a bit more than you need them. I mean plenty of indy directors would kill to work with you all. Plus people will watch just about anything thrown in front of them anyway. I’d give money to see a sweet movie animation or vfx driven movie that is created by the anti-establishment so to speak. Plus you are artist you guys bring dreams to life regardless. I bet plenty of you have artistic talents that go beyond your CG work. I’m rooting for you all and in some way wish I could work with you all, but I’m not half as talented, or experienced.

    • Yanni says:

      Dude sorry, but you don’t seem to get it. If a major studio isn’t paying the bills. Then an indie is going to pay less so. VFX workers are smart enough to realize they can go indie. They don’t because paying the bills is a requirement when living in a major city.

    • Wb says:

      Shut up!

  14. Yanni says:

    Health Problems of Designers – Symptoms and Preventions http://bit.ly/141TsmT

  15. Yanni says:

    Moore’s Law means that more and more things can be done practically for free, if only it weren’t for those people who want to be paid. People are the flies in Moore’s Law’s ointment. When machines get incredibly cheap to run, people seem correspondingly expensive.
    — From Jaron Lanier’s new book, “Who Owns the Future?” excerpted on Wired.com

  16. VFX_Reckoning says:

    To those of you who haven’t seen it, this survey is based on moral perspective and social judgement within the VFX issues. (Personally, I feel poor business ethics are a major behavioral problem behind root issues through-out whole VFX community and big business world-wide.) I strongly urge everyone to take the survey below, it would be beneficial to give this prof a good sample, and worth seeing the behavioral impact within VFX:

    VFX survey from Dr. Jay Van Bavel NYU prof. asks how vfx artists feel about the issues

    https://nyu.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_dp33MJvl2MtGq0J

    … results at Collider

  17. Another Fly in Moore’s Law’s Ointment says:

    Looking forward to the results.

  18. Caleb says:

    I’ve heard a lot of stories about abuse abroad. One simple question. Why are there not any pictures of these places an conditions? Lets see some pictures of working conditions.

  19. cgiconsultant says:

    I concur with the comments regarding jobs in the U.S. and the rest of the world. It’s just ridiculous what our industry has come too! As a certified instructor and artist manager, I will also put my two cents in… it isn’t going to get any better anytime soon. When the economy went down hill in late 2007, the schools increased their student populations. People decided to get more education. Now there are even more highly educated people looking for jobs that may either have to settle for jobs that aren’t willing to pay them what they are worth (or feel they’re worth) or still won’t be able to get jobs due to the fact that they are now considered over-educated or over-qualified for the few jobs that are out there. Depending on who you know and what you’ve done so far is going to be the only thing helping you.

    Get out while you still can… people in other industries are making a better living with just a two year degree!! Pretty sad since we’ve worked way harder (blood and sweat and contract to contract for the most part for our entire careers) than most of them working for what, a few credits? What a shame! I’m sure this industry will get there shit together in the next 20 years but for now, do what you can to survive the best you can. Life isn’t worth the amount of effort it takes just to get a job, losing everything you have, going backwards in pay instead of advancing or sacrificing it just for a few lousily credits anymore in my opinion.

    Good luck to you all, I wish you all the best.

    • Another Fly in Moore’s Law’s Ointment says:

      People need to learn how to turn off the ego switch. But the switch is in a hard to reach place…up our assess. Literally.

      You make good points regarding the increased student populations in 2007. Also the fact the payoffs are dwindling everyday. To the point that work-life balance is worth more than credits. When most thought they would be a big chief by now, they aren’t even acknowledged as humans. Only machines. And credits below catering. My problem isn’t the work-life balance for the actual jobs… it’s the continuing education which needs to be done on weekends. I love what I do, but am getting a bit tired of trying to keep up. It’s like running a marathon and having a fire prod behind your ass. If you stop running for even a brief moment you get burned. The longer you stop the more the prod torches your ass.

      • Rob Blauser says:

        “People need to learn how to turn off the ego switch. But the switch is in a hard to reach place…up our assess. Literally.”

        HAHAHA… Could not have said it any better!

    • VFX_Reckoning says:

      I agree, but I think getting out of the VFX industry is easier said then done though.

      Personally, I’ve only been working in the industry for 4 years now, and I’m already tired of playing the layoff game. Since my last bought of unemployment (going into my 5th month now) I’ve realized I’ll probably never gain enough steady employment in the U.S. VFX industry to increase my pipeline skills toward a supervisor position. So I’ve now started searching for a way out. I’ve come across a few industrial modeling type jobs asking for senior artists with 7-8 years experience, but other then that, they seem hard to come by.

      If your only experience and expertise has been in Film or VFX in some way, how is that kind of art degree and experience applicable in other industries? I’m finding out now, the ones who have managed to find work in some other industry are the lucky ones, for some of us, our only other option might be McDonalds.

    • Another Fly in Moore’s Law’s Ointment says:

      How do I get this guys job?

      http://news.yahoo.com/operator-philly-collapse-deaths-turns-self-214931287.html

  20. Md says:

    I’ve said it all along the biggest contribution to the downfall of the industry is an over supply of talent. Not subsidies, not incentives…cheap ass talent willing to work 100 hours for nothing. Who is responsible for that? Every company who has ever made money from ‘students’. There is a very heartfelt article On fx guide about poor Victor who was sold up the river and is now homeless…btw check out the new terms offerings at their sister site fxphd. Get nuke trainer certification for 1000 bucks.

    • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

      yeah, but part of the over supply is the education system that has morphed worldwide into a grotesque commercial dream peddling pimp machine. And the bigger driver behind that .. the wall street/city of london banks! This is the latest generational slavery scam. In the recent past, we had the dot-com boom-bust, then the real estate boom-bust, then the mortgage-back securities boom-bust, then the municipal bond market boom-bust (yah California state! Go! Go!Go!), then just recently the IPO boom-bust scam (groupon, google, digitaldomain). The current scam is now student education. Well, actually been going on for a decade or more now, just reaching maturity now. You know student debt is the only form of consumer debt you can’t sign off from? Even if you declare bankruptcy? The banks pushed that through the representatives in congress, ensure they get them on a perpetual slavery system, no second chances here, no bancruptcy discharge if you fall on your ass. Its there, forever. With the threat of prison in some circumstances (the banks have also gotten congress to push through legalised prison work for commerical companies. Anyone else find these patterns freakin’ alarming?!?!?)

      So on my walk to work everyday, I pass huge posters for local colleges, showing some cool looking dude in the advert saying “yeah, he shoots hoops in the hood, and after he gets finance and finishes his CG arts course, he is going to be hollywood kid!!” Another one I like shows a kid in all his rapper clothes and moves, yeah, he’s a cool hip-hop dancing dude who is studying hollywood stuntman course at our college, when he finishes, he’s going straight to hollywood!!”

      In their naiveity,most of these kids probably fall for it. Its point blank emotional manipulation that is not allowed in things like financial product advertising (or cigarettes for that matter). Advertising does manipulate the majority of dumb ***kers out there. That’s why every election time the candidates payout hundreds of millions in fees and advertising to hollywood and madison avenue execs. It does reach alot of people.

      And they have expanded this now to education financing in china and india as well. Same people, same business plan. And the people there will be even more naive than the dumb ****kers over here, as they have had no exposure before to the western media manipulation game hand-in-hand with finance. They will actually believe that these bank financed ‘education’ programmes will land them in hollywood. I bet somewhere in bangalore now there is probably a poster saying ‘come to us, we’ll get you fiananced, the you will be like Gupta here who is now a big hollywood player … queue a picture of Gupta, senior rotoscoping artist in hollywood, zipping around in his lamborghini with a blonde model in the seat next to him.

      Even scarier? The same wall street lobying groups are pushing for non-bancruptcy discharging for credit cards .. hidden in the small print … coming to a town near you. All those CG workers who hammer their credit cards during their months of unemployment throughout each year may soon learn all about that one at some point ….

      • VFX_Reckoning says:

        I see those things happening to and I have fallen into that machine more then once. That’s why I often believe there is something to say about business ethics.

        I believe what’s being seen in the VFX industry, and the education system, are just part of the bigger international issues being caused by big business and corporate operations that have to much influence and power. It’s kind of scary.

        In VFX, there are quite a few people who say “The Studios are not to blame, we just need to protect ourselves with a union, blah, blah, blah.” But to me, that is nothing more then active passivity. The VFX industry and VFX shops, run the way they run, because big business turns the wheels in their favor. It’s cause and effect. Turning a blind eye and bowing before the powers that be within a union, has never actually fixed the corporate problem, it just gives you temporary ‘leverage’, instead of actually fighting for what’s right and just in the world.

        World wide societies have grown complacent, lazy and weak toward big business, and in the meanwhile, those organizations get away with whatever they want, and destroying whomever they want. To me, the best way to kill a weed is to attack it at the root. Big business is running wild and needs to be roped back in. Once that’s in place, boundaries need to be drawn to keep business contained. (I’m not opposed to Capitalism, but I do believe it needs guidance and restraint, without, it’s like a feral child.)

        Unfortunately, in corporate bought America, that also means we as a people need to regain control of our government first.

      • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

        But there initself is another issue. The serious academics who comment on these kind of things (professor Michael Hudson, Pofessor William Black, many others) actually say we do not have capitalism, and haven’t had it for at least 50 years. This is not ‘free markets’ like Adam Smith or Ricardo wrote about hundreds of years ago, or the scandinavian style of socially responsible markets. This has been called ‘Crony Capitalism’. (aka like chicago rigged mafia construction contracts 1930’s) .

        Said it before, America (and the West) is being deindustrialised and vampire fed by a small group of stateless, internationalists who are only nominally American or English or whatever in their host nation. The IT industry was pretty well gutted 10 years ago in a similar manner, and look at how many of those folk had well paying jobs that eventually were entirely offshored and remaining wages dragged down to zero.

        When that ILM exec recently said ‘special effects are no longer special’, I wish someone had asked him ‘OK, then why are you charging more than ever for cinema fees and Bluerays?’. Why isn’t he slashing the price of distribution prices to the consumer? Someone is making record profits …. but it ain’t you!

  21. wb says:

    this is the image of a collapsing industry and more sad news will follow…

    • Scott Squires says:

      I think Dennis Muren was the ILM person, who’s not an executive. ILM does not control the cinema feels or blurays. The studios are the ones making the profits.

      • mattD says:

        The studios should be making profits. Without profits there are no studios. No studios, No big vfx films. Distribution is a risky business.

        VFX businesses need to stay solvent and not underbid. THere is a lot of blame going on but these are normal market forces at work.

        On the labor front individuals get screwed because there are just too many talented people. 4 Years ago I couldn’t get a decent creature animator anywhere at any price. I just got 14 very talented guys and girls apply for a short term contract.

        In my opinion the fx industry should be focused on tightly controlling the education facilities. VES could look at selecting
        only a handful of universities or online trainers to accredit. Those accreditations should have limited places. Pretty soon you’ll have a smaller talent pool, Less players and higher fees.
        Of course youll have a bunch of educators out of jobs then. Catch 22 I suppose.

      • VFX_Reckoning says:

        Matt D, I think vfx influence on education and specifically accredited graduates is a brilliant idea! One of the better one’s i’ve heard in a while and a good solid step forward. There might be less of a catch 22 then you think though. a lot of those educators are from ‘degree-mill’ predatory type schools anyway. I’ve come across quite a few who’ve actually never been in the VFX industry, have only done some very small side jobs for local news stations, etc. They have no knowledge of pipeline work flow and I know for a fact, are not teaching the level of skill sets needed for these industry’s. Setting up accreditation would be doing them a favor, as well as students who fall for those overpriced degree mills. That is a win-win.

      • VFX_Reckoning says:

        But on another note, I don’t think “normal market forces at work” justifies a means to corrupt business practice. It’s that kind of mentality that needs to go away.

        You specify “profit” but isn’t Hollywood profit mostly marginalized anyway. If it were up to me, I would put a cap on corporate earnings in order to control the grounds and reach of businesses. If you earn 500 million in profit, that does not mean you NEED 1 billion more. It’s all profit in the end. What is the corporate end game? All the money in the world rotting away in shareholder banks?

      • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

        Isn’t ILM owned by disney? A distribution studio (amongst other things)

      • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

        @scott squires – so when you say “ILM does not control the cinema feels or blurays. The studios are the ones making the profits.” – we are saying here they are one and the same, the vfx vendor AND final studio. So again, why don’t disney start slashing costs? To reflect that vfx isn’t special or skilled. Wouldn’t that be what you expect in a functioning market? (but as pointed out – some of the serious academics on this say we don’t have capitalism in any case). Before you post an answer, I’d do a bit of search on the history of business dealings with to disney over the past century and their ‘special’ relationships with senate and congress (funny how the 50 year patent expiry doesn’t apply to Mickey Mouse – but does to everything else)

      • Scott Squires says:

        ILM was only purchased by Disney a few months ago. And Disney bought Lucasfilm for the StarWars IP. I’m sure if they had the option they probably wouldn’t have even bothered with ILM and some of the side groups. ILM is not a big money maker. Disney has owned at least 2 other vfx companies before and closed them.

        And no studio will have distribution charges change because of production costs. Everything at a studio is striated differently by different teams. Marketing is a separate fro production which is separate from distribution which is different than TV, etc.

        The original statement was referring to directors cramming too many vfx shots into a film and going so far over the top with them that the vfx were no longer special. It din’t mean that they were cheaper. Someone at the vfx town hall yesterday said vfx costs had skyrocketed. Guess what else skyrocketed even faster? The number of vfx shots, the complexity of visual effects, the reduction in post time and other factors have caused the price for visual effects on a per project basis to increase dramatically. Instead of doing 200 shots reasonable you’re now doing 1500 complex shots. Of course it’s going to cost more. if a director chooses to design shots poorly or over use them then they no longer are as special but that doesn’t make them cheaper. And the audiences are still going to see these types of films.

        I know someone mentioned John Carter but lets face it the film itself has to have an interesting idea no matter what. look at Alice. Very little story but at least visually interesting to look at. John carter seemed to many to be another Clash of the Titans. Desert, rocky areas with a creatures. No longer compelling imagery. No longer compelling story concept.

        Look at the top profitable films of last year. Look at the top box office films of the last 20 years. Visual effects has had a huge influence in making those profits, don’t kid yourself. But that doesn’t guarantee record profits if the film itself is poorly done. You still have to capture the audience.

      • mattD says:

        There is a hell of a lot of rubbish being bandied about by VFX artists who think they know the business. Film distribution is not a shopfront to the public. There are so many different territories to deal with. So many buyers and different demographics. VFX does not sell films. Its a component that influences the numbers on a deal but the kids of the industry need to stop kidding themselves that they are the hand of god blessing each project with success. Im a bit tired of all the “this is what ‘X’ would look like without vfx”. It would look like it used to and employ practical fx or creative story telling. Seriously we are icing. Without the cake we have no need to exist.

      • VFX_Reckoning says:

        That’s a misconception, VFX are part of the creative storytelling process now, we are no longer “icing” on the cake, but rather the “sugar” in the cake batter.

      • Another Fly in Moore’s Law’s Ointment says:

        To say VFX is just icing is stupidity. It’s as much a part of the foundation and wiring as the production in many many cases nowadays. Digital actors, digital performances, digital sets, digital worlds. You’d have to be an idiot (of some sort) to make such asinine statements.

        In fact, I hereby call a digital fight. I just threw the first punch…

      • NoRetreatNoSurrender says:

        The VFX movie genre is pretty much dependent on the VFX content. It’s a different genre to classic film making. Some viewers detest CG movies – some of my own family do. You definitely do not need vfx for story telling. You can even go to the Theatre. Some people find that a better evening’s entertainment and I can see why. And the vfx from theatre sets is not John Carterish or avararish
        .
        I see it like an immersive experience, like a fairground ride, a video game, an IMAX theatre. Its closer to that those products than classic film making. Something you immerse yourself in for sensory experience. Classic film making doesn’t require VFX (if it uses it, agree that it is there as icing only), the movie is about story telling and relating to life, characters, history. Its more of a cereberal experience. And the audiences who go and say see something like cyrano de bergerac or cinema paradiso on the big screen, would feel cheated I am sure if you turn around afterwards and say “oh yeah, none of that cinematoraphy was really the countryside of provence or tuscany, it was all made by a kid in bangalore on 3dsmax ….” (not that it would happen – really, when you look at all of us CG folk saying how great the vistas in avatar or john carter are … well compared to really seeing beautiful cinematoraphy on classic movies like bergerac or paradiso .. it just is not the same. You know its not real, it doesn’t have the same wow factor and even if it is more technically polished, it just isn’t as good, it doesn’t have the same mojo or x-factor. And many classic movies fans just don’t want it.)

        So if you are making comic book genre films, selling them as a sensory experience in a surround sound 3D cinema, your audience aren’t interested in the story telling particularly, as long as it follows the comic book naratives they expect.

        The current treatment and working conditions of some of the vendor studios towards those folk making those comic book movies possible cannot be swept under the carpet, surely? Everyone expects the distribution studio to make a killing if they get it right, given the risks. But the relationship or power balance between studio-vendor-artist is really messed up. Ang Lee can pretty much single handedly bankrupt a VFX vendor through schedule delays, poor scheduling and shoot production management, constant vfx changes, saddle the ‘inefficiency’ costs mostly onto the vendor making his film possible, meanwhile the studio doesn’t get to much of this additional risk, and the vendor can screw around with folk’s contract promises, non-payment of wages, so on. That is a more realistic assesment. If you don’t need vfx – don’t do them in your film. But the target audience for this genre will not go see the movie in that case, no more than they will go to the theatre. Its a mess alrighty.

      • mattD says:

        You are missing my point. On an fx film yes the vfx are important. My point was that back when vfx in their current form were not available. Tentpole films still got made. Yes its a decision from the outset to laden a film with massive vfx. But that is not the most important part of a film and the distribution figures reflect this. More important is name talent regardless of whether you recreate them in the computer or not.

        There are too many fx artists now. I’m not advocating poor work conditions but the fact is for every one of you that bitches about the job you have there are 20 others ready to step in and be happy about working for the prestige and experience. Is this fair? nope! Is it reality? Yep.

        Until the vast sea of ready talent available out there dries up things aren’t going to get better. In the old days people were respected for their ability because good talent was scarce. Today that is not the case. Today we studios are looking for the best for the least amount of money.

        You can rail against these market forces. You can look to place blame with studios and directors and producers but the fact is you are expendable. Does this suck? yep! but that’s life all over the world.

        You are not a unique and beautiful snowflake!

      • mattD says:

        BTW how on earth did Ang Lee single handedly bankrupt R&H?

        From the reports on R&H’s business practices the company did it to themselves through over capitalisation and poor management. Ang Lee is a director. Directors dont set the fee structures for projects. Thats a Producer’s job.
        This is more misinformation and conjecture.

        Yes yes I know my opinions are unpopular but unfortunately I have the facts from both sides that supports them.

      • Another Fly in Moore’s Law’s Ointment says:

        Sir MattD

        FX films include period pieces as well. Film and TV. People watch stuff like Boardwalk Empire and don’t think it’s a CGI boardwalk scene, etc. Nowadays it doesn’t need to be an comic book film to be an FX FILM.

        Regarding talent on a film…They are the hand of god that blesses the film in many cases. But not all. And your point is taken there in some degrees. But that’s like saying the writer is the holy grail and the director doesn’t matter. Or that the talent doesn’t matter. You’re putting CG/VFX in your own chosen order. It’s a collaborative medium jackass. Wake up. It takes a rare individual to make that level of filmmaking possible. Sure, a guy who roto’d wires isn’t much. And those folks are not as much creators. But people that make characters, environments and the such struggle to problem solve AND create. Only the creation is seen on the screen and asshats like yourself go around spreading misinfo about how easy it is. You clearly aren’t one of the artists making anything significant. Maybe you say what you do because you yourself are just icing.

        My guess is sir MattD, since you’ve made enough asinine statements to bury your credibility. The community is going to start ignoring you henceforward. Bye.

      • mattD says:

        @ Another Fly in Moore’s Law’s Ointment
        actually I have been an fx artist for over 20 years. So you can make as many assumptions and insulting remarks as you like. The fact is I’m still here and will be long after the majority of the Johnny come lately’s fall by the wayside for the fad. If you are still around and think you got some skills I’d be happy to take a look at your reel… Along with the hundred and thirty seven applicants I just got.

      • Another Fly in Moore’s Law’s Ointment says:

        Sir MattD

        While I agree with you that there is a lot of talent out there. Not all of those 137 are even NEAR what you need. Based on my own experience sourcing talent in recent years, my guess is only a dozen selected ones are the right one’s for the job. The rest look like primitive crap. But of course you spout shit and try to use that to create a paranoia to control your artists. It’s you that’s actually creating the problem. Stick to the more realistic argument that there are fundamental problems with the way the jobs are bidded and managed. Otherwise, good luck. You’ll be out of a job for certain. It’s not about jonny come latelies. It’s about fundemental problems in the business transactions and shop guys like yourself who arrogantly think they are a comic book hero themselves. Delusions of a guaranteed future. You said it yourself.

        And yes, I need to get the last word.

        P.S. What’s your real name? So we can know where not to apply in the next 20years as you say.

  22. mattD says:

    I know where you are coming from but we live in a world where John Carter of Mars costs 200 million to make and another 200 million to market and fails dismally at box office. Now Im not arguing the film’s merit or appeal but it goes to the point that distribution is risky. That film was laden with solid VFX work. VFX alone do not sell a film anymore. So it stands to reason that you need to make a hell of a lot of profit to be able to take risks on big vfx features. Most films actually don’t make money. There are a lot of studios and distributors in trouble as well.

  23. VFX_Reckoning says:

    Yeah, I get that. I guess I would be interested in seeing the quarterly profit demands the parent companys require from the studios. It makes me wonder how much unnecessary risk going on, especially considering the changes to story that have to be made and marketing paid to account for international box-office distribution.

  24. Another Fly in Moore’s Law’s Ointment says:

    Hooray for Boobies. Interns sue the FUCK out of Fox.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/12/business/judge-rules-for-interns-who-sued-fox-searchlight.html?_r=0

  25. VFX_Reckoning says:

    I know this is off topic of late, but can you imagine the possibilities for VFX if this did happen? If studio’s cut back on new content, I imagine many smaller VFX shops would open up to accommodate smaller indy type features and webisodes. That could be something very good for the VFX industry world wide. Chances are the paychecks probably would be less, but there could be an abundance of smaller new stories, and work to contribute to out there:

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steven-spielberg-predicts-implosion-film-567604

  26. sps jayawardhanavelu says:

    campare than other industry animationindustry is very worst. i think indian industry is in child level. there is no basic structure, if u want job in indian studios u must know atleast on HR’s cheap friendship, no need drawing skills, u will become a team leader position soon. thats idian animation industry.

  27. […] That tweet above was in reference to a combination of problems in India’s VFX & animation industry this year: R+H’s bankruptcy, Prime Focus running very low on cash late 2012, Reliance Mediaworks continuing to blow money away year after year, and outright fraud by bogus industry reports of growth and crooked education facilities. […]

  28. anant says:

    animation industry is doing as good as year 2000. the matter of fact is now too many labour (artist) are available in cheap. Institutes are looking for their profit, they leas bother about animation industry. institute gives a introduction of 3d packages. its students duty to dig more deep and polish themself. demand less and supply more… cause less income for labour. now animation firm are in strong position and labour in poor. as nature’s rule, strong people exploit poor.

    this is my personel opinion.

  29. Sumitha Nair says:

    So many people lost their jobs within the last 3-4 years in the Animation Industries. All companies are prefering freelancers. There is no scope for permanant job in Indian Animation Industry..

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  33. P.S.Rathore says:

    In Mumbai many studios are charging money from unemployed animators to provide them a job without salary, what a pathetic situation they will refund his own money after one or two years of successful working with them. i humbly request young aspirants just do not opt for animation as your career……

    • Rohit says:

      I am stunned by reading all the comments here. Have NONE of you read Darwin’s Theory of Survival of the Fittest??? Really?

      This isnt just a case in VFX or Animation, but in IT, Engineering, Hotel Management, Aviation, etc, EVERYWHERE. Only those who work the hardest or are naturally blessed & talented gets the job. Worst part is not the institutes showing a rosy picture, problem is with the crowd who cannot get into engineering or medical, and sees Animation/VFX as an ‘option’ to make money here if not there, The truth is only the passionate people survive & get job, but the money minded crowd who were failure elsewhere, they dont stand a chance to be successful in an industry that requires solid passion for animation, if not talent!

      Animation & VFX are still booming & are among one of the biggest businesses on planet, only those who spend time learning abt the industry n making contacts (Networking) along with Talent has been successful so far & growing. Cream layer – the directors, TDs, etc are earning big bucks while you sit here online n keep cribbing.

      So STOP blaming the industry for your failures.

      As Amir Khan said in ‘3 Idiots’, “Dont run after success, Run after excellence & success will follow.”

      • Rohit says:

        Also I’d like you all to know that being an Entrepreneur is far better than doing a Naukri / Job😉

      • scott squires says:

        If only it were that simple and if talent, hard work, skill and experience were the only keys to becoming hired. But these days there are a lot of things involved with business that has nothing to do with the fittest or the best. Companies under paying or abusing their workers. Companies with small minded managers. Subsidies. Plenty of man made hurdles conspire to prevent the best qualified from obtaining the proper jobs.

      • Tiamet says:

        Hi Rohit. Sure, the universe is a cold place where that which can adapt to survive in their surroundings survives through adaptation, but that is the nature of matter. What we are talking about here is commerce, a human construct devised by man to escape from the incompassionate objectivity of natural selection. Somewhere back in our history we struck an agreement in order to make all of our lives easier and more prosperous through cooperation. Do you really believe that commerce is only for the benefit of the strong, because that is the problem that now plagues society. All of our constructs to build and maintain civilization have been usurped and corrupted by the most privileged members of society to serve their needs while subjugating and abusing those less powerful than themselves. These beasts known variously as entrepreneurs, financiers, producers, etc have broken the social contract to achieve their own selfish agendas with utter disregard for others. Commerce needs to be for the benefit of all involved in order for civilization to thrive and when it is not we see the social and moral decay that we are witnessing today. In the current debauched state of our crumbling civilization this cream layer that you speak of is populated only by the most barbarous scum and villainy without any moral or social conscience. We are being swallowed whole by the Leviathan and the poor, whipped masses have been so utterly defeated that they are suffering from a sort of Stockholm Syndrome, believing the same sort of ignorant horse shit that you espouse here about themselves and their valuelessness. We can only run after excellence when the abusers of the system have been put down. Until then we should be running after our abusers and taking them out of the equation by whatever means necessary. The Leviathan must be decapitated.

        The current distribution of monetary wealth is a good indicator of how sick our society is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ehzfQ4hAQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Df0ehzfQ4hAQ&app=desktop

  34. balakumaran says:

    yes,i have gone thorough your cmnts. I’m an UG-ITguy, i hate to do such slave job were i can’t work with my own ideas .i choose animation field,because i have passion on this field, and i have creativity mind. i think this field is enjoyable,it would be fun were i can learn a lot. but, after come through ur’s cmnts i feel it is not worth for my expectations. I think i cant’t survive happily in both mentally and economically. So folks please give me short and worth suggestion about this field

  35. Indian Animation Fraud dmin says:

    I WOULD LIKE TO SEND A FULL PACKAGE OF INFORMATION OF THE FRAUDS AND SCAMS EXPOSED BY ME ABOUT FRAUD ANIMATION STUDIOS AND INSTITUTES IN INDIA.CAN I GET THE EMAIL ID OF THE ADMIN OF THE SITE?

  36. Indian Animation Fraud admin says:

    The truth about animation industry in India.
    the “ANIMATION” industry in India is going through a very tough time. most of the big animation studios like crest, prana, dq entertainment, big animation are removing people in huge numbers. most of the studios have reduced to half or less than half of there original strength.most of the studios don’t have any new projects for future. no one knows when any of them might close.
    but still nobody is telling this to the students and there parents. the animation institutes are still projecting a rosy picture of the industry. they are the only people making money. they charge lakhs of rupees from students, selling dreams of working in animation industry and in companies like pixar dreamworks etc. they give them dreams of working in Hollywood. but in reality there education is so pathetic that the students don’t even get selected in indian studios. and with all the job cuts happening there is no demand for any new people.In fact the people who are working in companies also don’t know when they might be thrown out. but still the institutes are throwing around figures and statements like “Indian animation industry needs 100000 people” “Indian animation industry is a mutli billion dollar industry” and stuff like that.
    the truth is that there is no “boom” in industry.
    coming to the salary .the salary is disgusting. u get 6000 to 7000 per month after spending about 1.5-2 lakh rupees and have to work long hours. how can u survive with such salaries in metros(like mumbai,delhi,hyderabad,banglore etc) where all the studios are situated.
    and there is no work satisfaction. all the so called animation companies in india are sweatshops for US and europe companies. the main selling point of the animation education by institutes is “CREATIVITY” “IDEAS” ETC. but u don’t get creative freedom in the companies.

    and regarding the placement of there students that the institutes say , people should ask them how many students among the so called “Placed” students work in a actual “Animation” or “VFX” company.
    the truth is that most of the so called “Placed” students work as graphic designers at small time companies ranging from photo studios(where there job is cleaning images of people) to designing pamphlets for coaching classes. and they get salaries about 5000.
    Also they make there students faculties.when the person has not worked in the industry how can he teach others about it.

  37. Indian Animation Fraud admin says:

    Hey guys
    All I can say about those writhing in agony after getting their degrees or being unemployed is..
    Before you guys, both aiming for the courses/aspiring to be animators, for GOD SAKE
    DO NOT join institutes for the sake of getting a solid foundation
    Well that’s because most institutes lack a lot of equipment, PCs have low specs etcI’ve visited quite a few colleges and institutes and I can safely say this
    DO NOT join:
    1)Arena
    2)Reliance
    3)Frameboxxx
    4)Toonz Animation

    The best places I can recommend you, where they actually teach you the good stuff is
    1) Anibrain XDI,Pune (Visited this one)
    2) DSK SupInfocom (Ranked #2 plus they are a french institute I heard. I’ll check em out personally in June)
    3) National Institute of Design(NID) , Ahmadabad (Checked this one out too)
    4) Whistling Woods International Institute (I’ve heard it’s good though)
    5) Raffles Millennium International,Bangalore (Tis’ an epic place for graphic designing)

    Okay
    Now
    BEFORE you even think of getting yourself an education in this field
    Just a note of warning
    ALWAYS go for a freaking BFA Degree. Well, I’m going for a B.Sc this June but I’ll get into BFA after building up some foundation in traditional drawing. In BFA, they actually teach you the right stuff

    Also
    You guys need to be aware of what you’re interested in
    Seriously
    Don’t just anonymously join a course hoping to be good at it
    Do your part of research
    What you’re good at
    If you’re not good at anything then start learning on your own!
    There are plenty of heavenly tutorials on Youtube

    Another tip
    Buy up a subscription at Digital Tutors, the world’s largest CG Library
    Even if the institutes don’t teach ya anything, with that in your hands, you can safely carry on with your education and build up a solid foundation in the area of work you’re interested in
    I’ve bought a single user subscription and it costs about Rs 2000 a month. Pretty good stuff
    http://www.digitaltutors.com/

    Another tip again:
    Change your art style
    Seriously
    If you wanna stand out
    Try to get well versed with around 4-5 art styles (min. for cartooning)

    #2 Think diverse
    Don’t stick with mythological concepts or Ramayana style stories or with all that Chota Bheem shit. Check out the latest movies, watch animes. You’ll get TONS of ideas

    #3 Learn as soon as you can
    I haven’t stressed this fact enough
    I first started out with video editing on my own
    Nobody taught me all that
    Then I did my share of the research
    Got to know stuff about pre-production,production,post-production
    Different sectors of work in the animation field etc
    What’s the difference between VFX,Compositing etc how it helps etc etc etc

    Regarding getting jobs and stuff
    Check out Stephen Silver’s videos on Youtube. He actually gives you advice on how to spot fake offers and such.

    #4 Buy a few books on Story-boarding and Narration
    It’s all about the art of story telling. You have to learn the art of communication. No matter how good you are, it’s pointless if you can’t put forth your concept in a narrative, seaming manner

    #5 Visit Institutes/Colleges personally
    Interact with the faculty/students. Check out their work hands-on. Don’t just be content with the student showcase they put up on their websites.

    #6 Draw till you drop
    Fill up a sketchbook every month (min.) until you get carpal tunnel syndrome
    For aspiring 2D animators it’s a must

    #7 Try to master this art in 4-5 sectors
    Don’t be content with just being a compositor!
    Learn as much you can! Whether it’s Motion Graphics, Web Design, Modelling, Script Writing/Programming, Storyboarding, Concept Designing etc
    The more you know the better

    #8 Do a B.Sc (short term course at a reputable place not Arena and shit before going for BFA)
    Reason: Well you’ll get some idea/exp. by doing this
    Like I said ZICA is well suited for this
    Because to join BFA, you gotta sit for entrance exams and it’s really hard unless you’re well versed into this
    Personally I’m doing a B.Sc first because of lack of money
    I’m saving up so I can join DSK soon after I turn 19 or 20

    #9 Be Inspired. Never give up
    Chase your dreams no matter how impossible it may seem

    #10 Do freelancing. Work online. (In your free time)

    And if you wanna study abroad
    Well..
    You have to lift your quality up!
    Compare yourself with other artists!
    Open up a Youtube account and DeviantArt account
    Interact with the community and see where you stand or what you lack
    Don’t be goddamn lazy!

    Ahem
    If I did say something wrong, then please do point me out

    And check out my Youtube page btw:
    http://www.youtube.com/Kaioken20XGokuHD

    DeviantArt: http://www.kaioken20xgoku.deviantart.com/

    So yeah
    Last note
    Don’t learn like a bakra!
    Know what you wanna learn and learn accordingly
    It’s your dream and you have to take forth the initiative

    kthxbye
    I have my dreams to fulfill too so better get to work
    Still haven’t joined ZICA
    Got some time left
    Studying in 11th grade now (They usually don’t take students in for degree courses before 12th grade but after checking out my stuff, they gave me an exception XD)

    Ah
    And for those of you who are planning to study abroad
    The best place to go for higher education is Canada
    Singapore is good too
    But in Canada you’ve got more chances of living out your life without grief and poverty

    P.S.
    Please add me – Abhishek Neogi
    (http://www.facebook.com/Kaioken20XGoku)
    I’d love to get in touch with fellow animators (:
    I’m still learning on my own lol
    Feeling a bit lonely on my venture ..

  38. Ammar says:

    its very much true.Institutes in India have a masters degree in luring young generations into this Animation Wormhole.They never tell u the reality of the sitution

  39. ron thomas says:

    yes the institutes are telling lies..pls try to contact a senior member before joining in an institute……

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  41. […] India’s VFX schools are certificate mills meant to take students savings and give little to no useful education. So many end up with skills that lack the basic competency to allow for an actual industry of talented VFX pros to scale and do big VFX work. That’s not to say there isn’t talented Indian VFX pros. There are many and I know them personally and have had the pleasure to work with them side-by-side here in the US. People like my colleagues from India and my parents from Burma are hard working and talented people that want to race to the top. Maybe if more US business people stopped looking at the region as a cheap place to do work maybe then you’ll actually see a thriving and sustainable VFX industry there. […]

  42. Anonymous says:

    Almost all the information in this article about the industry is true. I m fortunate enough to be working with a leading VFX company in India and to some extend I enjoy the cretive freedom and respect for the work I do however its a bitter truth that the pay and the kind of work and discrimination are something we have to face regularly.I have learned from the institute claiming they will provide the VFX training but sadly now that i know that you can get way better training in the online training programs like gnomon and digital tutors which are run by actual industry pros. There are a huge amount of ignorance on both the students and their parents side who fail to understand that its totally a wrong picture these institutes are potraying.Wrong and misleading information and figures are the USP of most of these institutes. Most of the faculties dont even have any experience working with the VFX studio and they are the imaginary VFX pros or role models created by the Institutes and their students.Rotoscopy and paint have become the higlight of their cources which will fetch a fresher not more than 6-8 k per month in a city like mumbai which is not even enough to pay the rent.I m not even discussing the pay and the treatment in the local film industry specially telegu and tamil industry where the exploitation reaches to another level.Sadly the lack of jobs, huge competition and the requirement of less paid employees to cut down production cost have given birth to the new HR policies which are unfair and most of the time against law as well. Long working hour , unreasonable pay deductions , work expectation even on the holidays , verbal abuse , mental harrasment , threat and various other unfair means are pdactised commonly by the management and the Supervisors to run the business in so called “indian way”.There is less hope that this industrt will survive in india for long it may sound negetive and depressing for people who are thinking of becoming a part of this industry but the fact is its better you know whats going on rather than having a rosy picture of so callex creativity and the proud to be called an artist thing in your mind.
    Cheers

    • anon says:

      hey.. I’m interested in VFX too. I’ve only completed my 12th. can you just guide me what should I do to pursue my dream about VFX ?

  43. Animation BULLSHIT..!! Prepare Yourselves OR Leave says:

    Hello mates, I am from India. I finished my degree from a popular institute and by the time I finished I bagged 3D Animation short film Gold Award in a well known art competition with also best 3D Character Animation. I Actually have one year experience before joining any firm but (NON STUDIO). THE TRUTH IS.. before stepping in the Industry, it felt good BUT as I did. I joined a production house where I Work 8-9 hours per day. On requirement I have to work on Sundays. No OT. No double or ANY pay for SUNDAY. INSTEAD we get a COMP OFF which IS NOT GIVEN if the H.O.D. Doesnt freaking sign it. NO BANK HOLIDAYS.SALARY NEVER ON TIME. NO LABOUR LAW WHEN IT COMES TO LEAVE POLICY. TOTAL LEAVES “”SIX”” CASUAL OR SICK WHATEVER THE HELL LEAVES.. For Youngsters, If you really really REALLY want to do it, then be prepared for this bullshit. For those in Dilemma.. DONT DO IT..

  44. nilaaa says:

    Hi this is hitesh.. i been working in prime focus for last 3 and Half yr… by thinking now I have wasted this valuable yrs. in your organization … because when we entered in your organization u all explained that u will get good life in prime focus… but after this 3 yrs I figured nothing but its all pain and tears from all artist… because of u all management method … TMS.. Binding.. what all they.. if u don’t want to give any increment and benefits then u should have announced clearly.. as there will be no increment from this yr… by giving 30 rs and 69 rs… what will do with this amount… can we tell to our family this is the increment we have got… so please madam…. Our humble request please do some thing and save us.. from not to became as a beggar

  45. Mamta Tiwari says:

    hey. I’ve heard that animation schools in India are not allowed to give degrees. is this true?

  46. Chetana says:

    I read most of comments here.I am a founder of a startup which produces educational material.
    We need animators (2d/3d using anime studio or blender) for our company. Full time job, can work from home salary ~8K per month (will increase every year. Its our budget. It is a comfortable salary considering work from home option we guess). We will give time to learn tools. Work involves everything from character design to production (we will do story boarding) . Deadlines are flexible. Animators will be treated with respect.

    We didn’t find any one till now. If all above comments are true, why we are not finding anyone?? Is it the attitude of animators or is it what institutions tell them?

  47. kiran says:

    i read you article above given you producers has trust the director weather it’s a game or movie because budget we have to compramise the qulity and time thats the reason why do want to pay more than they want

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  50. latongmeren ao says:

    Yes ! Its sad. Modi govt shud close down these institutions and take animation as a “State subject” and run classes in centrally run institutions. Where the delivery is proffessional and motivated to get students wanting to bring out Walt Disney grade works. Who knows – some pupils in the process may even bring to life Quantum Computers. The ultimate formula which gives us God like powers !!!

  51. kamesh says:

    can somebody suggest me the best VFX institutes in India in 2015

  52. ranajit das says:

    How do the animation for job

  53. ajaysingh says:

    Sorry to say guys but plz don’t choose Animation or VFX as ur carrier in India…there r almost no jobs…Institutes who r claiming for ambitious salaries r only making their pocket heavy…their standard of education is not even near Hollywood work…n still if u want to be single,healthless,penniless,homeless u r welcome to this field🙂
    i hv worked for 10yrs in studios like prana,crest animation studios,primefocus etc

  54. Keerthy Kumar k says:

    I have confused to take either VFX or animation plz suggest me frds

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