Waiting For India

Word of massive layoffs at Rhythm & Hues India:

Yesterday, word is trickling out of Rhythm & Hues, India,  alleging that they’ve laid off all but two animators currently working on Prana animation projects from their studio in Mumbai, and most of their animators in Hyderabad.  Bouncers are said to have been brought in to handle any potential trouble during the actions at both studios, despite assurances that the Hyderabad studio would remain in operation. Only 35 people remain employed in the Mumbai facility in all, with the entire HR and recruiting department there having resigned en masse.  In Hyderabad, management and production staff were laid off in addition to the animators, but no exact figures were available at press time.

Rhythm & Hues was one of the pioneers of sending work to India when in 2001 it opened one of the first VFX facilities in Mumbai. Could you imagine anyone 15 years ago predicting this? Massive layoffs in low-cost labor locations like India, while hiring in expensive locations like Vancouver. All this, even with the Indian labor was much cheaper than the subsidies.

Most who have lost their jobs in CA will admit it wasn’t India they lost their jobs to, they lost their job to a location offering massive government subsidies like BC or the UK. Surprisingly, while VFX in California is hemorrhaging, Animation is thriving, especially at unionized facilities.

The latest Animation Guild membership numbers have exceeded last years all-time high with VFX artists at Nickelodeon Animation voting to join. This despite the fact there were massive layoffs at DreamWorks Animation earlier this year. Most of those union members let go are working at unionized Walt Disney Animation which has been doing some massive hiring. Morale at Disney is incredibly high with many projects (and parties!) in the pipe. Things are looking up at Dreamworks Animation too. It’s stock is trading at an all-time high and while it took a hit earlier this year, it’s television deal with NetFlix is going to lead to a higher amount of employment according to Steve Hulett.

Ain’t that something? All this is happening while all 3 unionized companies do some work in India. You see, the mistake many doomsdayers made was that work between India and CA was a zero sum game: eventually all the work would go to India as CA artists cost more.

I’ve wrote for a long time that much has been overstated about India. The work didn’t all go to Imageworks India. It didn’t all go to DD owner Reliance India. It didn’t all go to Rhythm India. And here I am, waiting for India. How different would things have been if CA VFX artists recognized my call years ago that the biggest threat to them wasn’t India, it was the subsidies.

Soldier On.


77 Responses to Waiting For India

  1. Andreas Jablonka says:

    Does anybody know how Imageworks India is doing?
    It’s sad that r&h is decaying like this.

    • crazydayahead says:

      Its so sad for RnH n hope all get placed to good studios with respect.

      Hey andreas came to know from one of my pal @ Imageworks Vancouver, Imageworks india is doing great, outsourced with very few final comps and animation. They work on entire movie and incredibly good in quality control in Tracking and Prep thtz wht he said.

      Hope imageworks won’t be the next target @ both west and asia, so sad to see the present state of Vfx.

      • xfaxtor says:

        I have done few QC for prep in Imageworks . Imageworks India Prep out is good and is top notch andreas.

      • Andreas Jablonka says:

        When have you done this qc? When I worked at imageworks the quality and communication of the Indian office was pretty bad.
        But I was not asking for their skills more if the office is growing since culver city is a ghost town or if it’s all just Vancouver. Seeing how r&h India is dying I wanted to check the pulse of image works.

      • Miodrag says:

        SPII is doing a good job with their roto and prep department, I’ve seen some crazy paint work from them, high quality and done in few days!

      • Ralph says:

        Infact, even MPC bangalore are doing some fantastic prep and roto shots. Including Reliance DD in India.

  2. jeppscorner says:

    Its like a beautiful family disintegrating. i feel very sad.

  3. Easy says:

    Good riddance. Sad only because the name has nostalgic value. I am never saddened that a poorly run company goes under. More opportunity for another to do it better.

    • hector says:

      can you name another one “to do it better”?

      • Easy says:

        You’re missing the point. I am not thinking of anyone in particular nor do i care to make guesses. That is an irrelevant exercise. In all industries where there is a market there will come along someone to fullfill that need.

    • Jason says:

      Most naive statement ever, I believe. Well done.

      • Easy says:

        Challenge accepted. Please explain why I am naive.

      • Easy says:

        Hmmm yeah, just as I thought. He’s just another typical CG fanboy who has nothing to back it up.

      • Jason (Iversen), a current R+H employee says:

        My reasons are nothing to do with CG, really; even though I’m at 20+ year professional in the industry; not some ‘fanboy’ you can goad so childishly. On topic, many companies are much deeper than just their cash solvency, their bottom line. Some companies, like R+H, have deep comradery, where colleagues have great respect for each other. R+H was quietly creative and innovative; which didn’t always work out be the best business decisions but worked to unify the people in a common goal anyway. To lose all of that because the market changed in a treacherous way faster than it took to repurpose the momentum of 1400 souls I consider tragic. The people than run/ran the company are acutely aware of the their failures to stem the losses, and feel they’ve failed their employees. Yes, I can think of 5 reasons R+H screwed up, but I can think of 50 reasons the loss of R+H is a terrible thing.

      • Jason (Iversen), a current R+H employee says:

        In fact, I invite you our offices.

        Please come around, I’ll introduce you to our COO and executive producers. We’ll meet the creative team, and the software team. I’ve only been there 7 years, so you probably know a lot more about exactly how and what R+H has done wrong, so feel free to explain to them what to do next, and then afterwards you can walk around and tell us all how happy you are that we’re losing our professional vitality, and our livelihood.

        It’ll be a fun day.

      • VFX Soldier says:

        To Easy:

        A number of people here are asking for specifics from you on how you would have done it differently.

        In my view, R+H was doing everything it could correctly and that’s the problem with the industry:

        no matter how good or efficient you are, you’re really at the mercy of the next government subsidy to offer more money. Execs at R+H have pointed this out publicly. They could offer a better price exclusively with their LA office against the subsidies but US studios demanded the work still be done in BC.


      • Easy says:

        Congratulations for finding the time to post something other than some vague cryptic insult. As they say it takes one to know one so it wasn’t hard to guess how to make you respond.

        While I am sure I would enjoy the visit. Complete with the stern look, wagging finger along with some variety of how dare you/you’ll never work in this town again blah blah blah. I think I’ll pass.

        I stand by my statement. Being a 20 year veteran, I’m astounded by your claim that all of the sudden this just happened out of nowhere. Wow! Have you been sleeping under a rock?? So sure, keep plodding along to the slaughter and then act like no one has the right to point out how your bosses f#cked all of you out of your jobs. You’re not alone or special. I’m just one of the many people who are sick and tired of the idiotic way this industry has been run into the ground. It’s to the point I have to consider alternatives at 43 years old so spare me the “Boohoo, come meet me and everyone else who are losing their jobs” schtick. My animosity isn’t directed at the artists who, like myself who want to work, enjoy what they do and have some semblance of a normal life. It’s at the people who are making these shitty deals and then throwing their hands up and say “oh wow, we had no idea this would happen! Don’t blame us! It’s the movie studio’s fault!”


        I still think you are a fanboy because you aren’t holding everyone to account for making it come to this. As they say, “It takes two to tango.” and only an idiot pretends otherwise.

      • Easy says:

        It will probably sound completely crazy to you but the only thing you can do is not play your advasary’s game at all. If you don’t have leverage you have nothing. Anyone who has been a freelancer probably remembers a time where they needed to renegotiate terms of employment after they began working- OT or whatever. You get nothing if you do it after the work is done, but if you do it while you have an important role to play, then you can force a resolution. That is called leverage.

        So what would I do? I would have unionize your 1400 souls with a union that has teeth in respect to the film studios and encourage the rest of the industry to do the same. Maybe even invite them to your offices to sign them up regardless of where they work.

        VFX is people. If you can control how and if the workforce is utilized you can effectively shut down production. It’s called leverage and it is the absolute ONLY thing that could be done to force any kind of negotiation to ensure the entire industry here isn’t completely decimated on a whim.

        You know what doesn’t work? Sitting on your hands for more than 10 years while you slowly march toward obsolescence.

      • Jason's Fanboy from R&H India says:

        To easy : While we agree to disagree with you, Dont mess with Jason. He knows dops, sops, cops, pops,vops, rops ,chops and 73 other dangerous things. 🙂

      • Easy says:

        Uhh… Dops? Cops? Whut?

    • Jim says:

      @Easy. You little piece of shit :). We have been sending work to India for nearly five years now. The results are impeccable. That is all.

      • CCD says:

        I agree with Easy. I am sorry but I have watched people piss and moan about the industry for over 10 years now, nothing ever gets done or achieved except just that. People just don’t seem to understand that without a union you have nothing, no organization, nothing will ever get done or really matter. I’m just not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand. We are all fairly well educated. I find it hard to feel sorry for a shop that was one of the first to outsource to India. It could have easily been one of the first to encourage people to unionize. It ran it’s business and at the same time it’s workers into the ground and let itself be taken advantage of by the studios, you know what could have stopped all of that? Encouraging it’s workers to unionize. Easy has it right, it’s clear as day to see. this was a company that had an opportunity to do what was best for the industry, it’s workers and itself and it failed. As easy points out, it was a sudden death, there is no way these shop owners didn’t know what was happening to the companies they ran, just what was their plan to fix all of this? There wasn’t one, just like we as workers have no plan to get out of it other than leave the industry. We are as much to blame. I appreciate soldiers blog and the hard work he puts into it, but honestly. This is never going to change. It just continues to get worse every year and nothing ever changes, it’s freaking amazing to me. You can take away the subsidies but the treatment and the hours, the way the companies are run won’t change. The only way to change it is to get people to unite.

    • jillm says:

      @Easy, are u Indian? sure sounds like one

      • lvfilm says:

        Hmmmm…..sounds like the state of the Nation? I understand how all of you must feel. It is a slap in the face of our creativeness and the hard work that you all instill into the work you have done for the industry…..and to be ignored and abused(I know all to well how that feels)….no wonder you all are mad as hell. I can’t blame you. All the egos aside, you all have to pull yourselves together. Geez, I’ve never seen so much boohooing and bickering going on amongst grown men. Perhaps you all have to air your frustration, and I can understand that. Yet, first and foremost we ‘creatives/artists’ and tend to be problem solvers. Soldier is doing a phenomenal job….. Why can’t we just stop the bickering and do something about the problem. Come up with ideas instead of insults. All I see are veterans who bitch at each other like a bunch of old women. Only reason I say that is because, I am a woman in a man’s field. In fact, I would rather work with men, however; I also want to be respected for my work. Don’t get it guys. I am sure many of you are brilliant artists. Get your heads together. State alternatives on this site or make up another, and, most of all, be respectful of each other. Your egos are getting in the way. Along with ‘Soldiers’ efforts, come up with some ideas. Maybe….Soldier, it would be great to have an addition to this blog for concepts that could bring the forces together…… Just an idea.

        We are nothing apart, but together we are a force:)

      • Easy says:

        I should sound like a 6’2″ 215lb 40-something American man of German descent… Do you have aspergers? You sound like one.

  4. Elvis the King of Rock n Roll says:

    It is sad but there is an MPC in india as well, no? I am sure they will be CV gathering as we speak, preparing to make derisory offers to those desperately seking a job there now.

    But isn’t bollywood the largest film industry in the world? Isn’t the population of India around a billion people and quite a young population at that? Surely there is some kind of potential for all of the domestic companies to be operating at full capacity all the time just from the domestic punters? Why is it so dependent on outsourced work with such a huge established market in its own backyard.

    Maybe someone at the groundlevel there can hazard a guess? Seems puzzling to me.

    • vfxmafia says:

      To Elvis…

      Could be alot of factors in the collapse. India is having an extreme economic correction. This summer you could call it an economic meltdown actually…..where the rupee lost %30 of its value in 2 months. Their gold reserves where actually airlifted to London….and there is talk of credit downgrade…and government may need an IMF loan….

      60% of the country experiences rolling black outs…..if you look at Prime Focus stock ticker (PFOCUS)…the stock has declined by 50% this year….

    • vfxhero says:

      hey elvis not many studios are dependent on Hollywood apart from Sony and MPC. PF has a strong hold in bollywood aswell, reliance is closely in loss in india due to bad management and they have bollywood studio and production too.
      Survival is not difficult for artist who has experience in domestic but the sufferers will be artists who worked for Hollywood and very few in india matches hollywood quality. And also thr are 26+ states in india and each state
      produces 3 to 4 movies. So lots of jobs opend
      for VFX and 3d.

      • Elvis the King of Rock n Roll says:

        Well, that’s even more puzzling because PF has constantly been on the edge of financial abyss (London PF bancruptcy, PF US barred from bidding on RnH due to having only a few hundred thousand dollars in the bank) and as I understand, Reliance has never posted a profit. And they are always chasing outsource US studio work. PF also is backed by a Caribean registered financial company that raises finance on Wall Street and international finance markets, no big pile ready cash sitting in banks as was always suggested for years.

        So how is it not possible to pull a profit from the domestic industry in an etablished bollywood film industry with a country of 1 billion people? There must be a business and management reason for that. I do remember the billionaire investor Jim Rogers talking on CNBC once about the Indian business environment once (he now live in singapore and invests heavily into China and Malaysia). He siad something about India having massive potential but due to government bureaucracy, corruption and inherited wealth within family connections, stifling innovation and entrepreneurship. Makes me think that alot of investors and studio accountants never take a holistic view a business, drawing very linear conclusions from baseline figures while missing subtle causal relationships and mental motivations, so on.

        I mean, how can it be possible otherwise for any company in the center of the bollywood industy to not be thriving??

      • vfxmafia says:

        To Elvis,

        Prime Focus is now backed by a shady English bank……which gave them the $53 million to finance Sin City 2…..

        But you bring up some great questions about India…..I think an economic collapse is enough to throw off their film market. A 30% drop in your currency is enough fuck with every industry in the country. Also 60% of the country had rolling blackouts….can’t run a frigging movie projector without electricity……

        And you have to bring up a point with 3rd world countries and all the corruption……the place is a mess…..

    • Ralph says:

      You are right about bollywood being the biggest film industry in the world. Not entirely from a visual effects standpoint tbough. Work is happening at a slow pace. The currency conversion makes hollywood even more lucrative.
      A DI friend in India broke this down for me :

      Normally a bollywood film budget is 3 mil. Out of which only $35000 goes in vfx. Not just that, but nowadays, it also includes DI. The clients have an attitude where if you are going to do it for even less, it would be better. VFX budgets has been slashed from 200K to 35K only for the sake of getting the project. The film on the other hand, ends up making a profit of 10 mil.

      This is just a tiny fraction. Not to forget there are over 30 odd movies (or more) coming out of bollywood every year . Also heard that the south indian film industry is a far better place to work in than bollywood. Lets just hope everything falls into its right place, eventually.

  5. Dave Rand says:

    Win the Academy award for best visual effects and to thank their prize race horse they starved it to death. Thanks Hollywood, who’s brainchild was that one?

    • Dave Rand says:

      Won the Academy award for best visual effects and to thank their prize race horse they starved it to death. Thanks Hollywood, who’s brainchild was that one?

      • Tom Atkin says:

        @Dave Rand

        The management of R&H starved their prize race horse to death…not the studios.

        This particular company meltdown was not unique. The timing of it and the Oscars provided many with ‘a/the tipping point’ to unite somehow and do something.

        R&H is not the first company or individual who has had serious business problems after winning the Oscar. DD and Craig Barron won for Benjamin Button. DD is still an evolving story under new ownership, and Matte World is history. Pixomondo won the Oscar for Hugo and it has struggled for the past couple of years with some offices closing, and ‘blog speak’ (unconfirmed) of some other problems. Certainly, Pixomondo has been adjusting to current market conditions and its role within it…and, they are not alone.

        I have always thought the connection between the Oscar (Pi) and R&H bankruptcy is not valid, and cannot understand why you persist on this theory you have promulgated since February.

        I agree, it was a good moment in time to try and snap the industry awake to do something…but, sadly, the same lack of consensus for unionization, trade organization or whatever seems apparent and I do not see or feel these are making lots of advances even under the radar. There has been lots of concerted effort trying to advance these concepts.

        The point is, Dave, let this Oscar/R&H/Hollywood ‘fucked us and them’ attitude go. Had R&H managed its funds during its good years and saved it for the leaner years…they still might be here.

        Where did all that money go?

        The Prana R&H version is yet to be judged, but whatever happens…the R&H we all know is gone, and it is not valid to keep blaming the studios….Oscar winner or not.

      • patternscanner says:

        Tom Atkin: It was partially to blame, because R+H kept a lot of people on for almost 6 months while Pi did a bunch of reshoots. That was a massive crew to carry, and although some worked temporarily on other productions, it was still a huge and immediate drain on the bank. On top of that, only a couple of years earlier they had bought a new building and facility which, unbeknownst to most, they partially financed by using R+H itself as collateral for loans. (This came out in the bankruptcy hearing if I recall correctly.) It was kind of a perfect storm of things, but when you are Captain of the ship, the buck stops there, and the former owners know it. I’m sure a day doesn’t go by when they don’t mentally retrack their steps over the years thinking how it could have been different.

    • Jason says:

      The brain drain from our industry is massive; so many good people and with their decades of experience are lost every day to web and game companies. Vancouver struggles to land experienced people, and the productions are paying for it. It’s a virtual savings, and there are no winners.

  6. vfxmafia says:

    IT IS SO OVER for the US…..

    “Subsidies as high as 80% for indie films”

    “Aid is upped to 60% of the budgets for pan-European co-productions”


    • hector says:

      Do you think VFX in Canada is save, or will fade as well?

      • Jason (Iversen), a current R+H employee says:

        The canadian film authority says he has no need to end the subsidy, so I suppose it’s as safe as politics 😉

      • Another One Bites the Dust says:

        Dont think politics has much to do with the Prana situation now. Checking around some of the financial grapevines like advn and pacific capital, there is a number of peope there thinking this is a deck chair shuffling exercise to buy time preparing for a wind down of the company for a second time.

        Prana took on nearly 20M in US debt this year. The perfect storm occured in the meantime. The business model is based on outsourcing to the Indian based studios who are very capable, except now that the economy and currency exchange rate is collapasing, it is accelarting the debt owed in US dollars at a greater rate than can be offset by lower labor and business costs. The baseline debt has risen by around $6M in six months just due to the exchange costs. And there are penalty costs for delaying payments to the production studios, much like DDMG had with the Hudson Bay Fund before the end.

        There are a few assets that could liquidate and recoop an acceptable clawback on the principal debt capital. The Vancouver and mumbai real estate and to a lesser extent the proprietary code base. That’s probably what we are seeing now behind the scenes. The various studio lawyers are negotiating on the carve up of a liquidation.

        I would be surprised to see any of the company offices still around after the spring.

  7. African Farmer Who Can't Compete says:

    US Federal subsidies to farmers (10-30 Billion!!!! a year) makes other counties subsidies to film production look like chump change:




    Just sayin….

    • VFX Soldier says:

      I’m sorry I fail to give a flying fuck about farming.


      • Andreas Jablonka says:

        You could name the blog farming soldier 😉

      • African Farmer Who Can't Compete says:

        And that’s the problem. You want other countries to stop their damaging behavior in one sector while your own country exhibits the exact same behavior in another. You should give a fuck.

      • Andreas Jablonka says:

        If you start your own of well come there to whine about Vfx? No.

        Kidding aside we cannot solve “your” evil only you farmers can. Heck we apparently cannot even solve our own Vfx evil and unionize.
        Point being lets concentrate on our issues on our blog and the other issues can be discussed elsewhere.
        I don’t mean this disrespectful.

      • VFX Soldier says:

        Here’s why I don’t give a fuck about farm subsidies:

        Countries injured by us farm subsidies have levied duties to offset their effect.

        This is exactly what we are going to do for VFX: countervailing duties.

        Next time you decide to spam my blog with farm subsidy articles, don’t forget to check the duties levied against them.

        Canada prepares 100% duty on US Farm products:



      • Dave Rand says:

        Farmers can petition for their own action. We are too busy dealing with VFX. To say one injustice validates another is not an argument, it’s a deflection.

      • vfxmafia says:

        To African Farmers…

        I really don’t get when people bring up US subsidys of other industrys with no point attached……

        Subsidys are an economic tool that every country uses…..it is only a question of how each country spends its money….

        Now maybe if your point was that the US spends more subsidy money financing Oil, Banks, Military, etc…..instead of small businesses like VFX companies…you might make a valid point…which is…the US throws away alot of money on companies that don’t need it…and doesn’t give any aid to a small sector like VFX.

        But then again you weren’t making a point….

      • sallyb says:

        but many people do.

    • minoton says:

      I’m not saying the subsidies mentioned in the articles above are good or valid, but do you not see the fallacy of your comparison? US gov’t subsidies to US farmers does not “buy” work from other countries and relocate it to the US. US gov’t subsidy paid to US farmer keeps US money in the US. Foreign gov’t film subsidy paid to US company(studios) to relocate business does not keep foreign gov’t money (funded by tax payers) in the foreign country. There’s the difference. It sends out (spends) more money than it brings back in the form of relocated work and workers. All subsidies are not equal.

    • Elvis the King of Rock n Roll says:

      Food is an essential. Some things you can’t mess with or you face the collapse of society in a worse case scenario and then no possibility for any kind of markets. Movies are not that important compared to food. Do you want someone like Robert Mugabee controlling your food supply?

  8. stjohn says:

    Farm subsidies are bullshit, but discussion of them has no place here. VFX subisides aren’t going anywhere until participating nations decide they’d rather throw money down some other swirling toilet than the film industry. I hear “computers” are the next big thing.

    The best thing you can do at this point is pool resources, buy a surplus C-130, and fill it with workstations, blade servers, Aeron chairs, and hammocks. Then you can fly to wherever the subsidies are best, milk the cow dry, then fly home for some R&R.

  9. Elvis the King of Rock n Roll says:

    Ships! Now THAT is a great idea. Much like the way decades ago pirate radio stations would buy old cargo ships, moor them off the coast of a country and transmit from international waters free of taxation ir regulation. Screw tax kickbacks, how about no taxation!

    I reckon you could approach a caribean offshore derivatives finance casino bank, say to them you need to raise a few million for a scrap ocean going cargo ship, revamp it and fit it up with blades, workstations and sat uplinks. Then just fill it up with indian and chinese kids or desperate kids from western ghetto towns, cracked software and blender, just sail from continent to continent offering an offshoring facility to studios in london, vancouver, montreal, singapore, ne zealand. The land based studio rents a building and skeleton crew in town for subsidy purposes then uplinks the work to the vfx pirate ship a few hundred miles offshore to complete the shots, working on 24 hour shifts.

    Now if you submit that business plan to one of those city-of-london or caribean hedge funds, I would be flusterpated and shocked if they didn’t punch in a few digits into the computer to fund this venture there and then, on the spot. Just needs a bit of fine tuning on the logistics but pretty much a sound business plan ready to go.

    • Pepe says:

      Lol very good,sad but actually very smart.
      The worst part,things are so fuckedup that your crazy plan can actually work.
      Add a Pixar logo to the ship and kid will work for fish.

      Can i make a little contribution,you know the real source of evil in this industry?the real evil are tutorials,kids download things and learn for free just to work for free.

  10. Brandon says:

    Saying that work wasn’t moving from LA to India is inaccurate. R&H had been slowly increasing the percentage of work done in India for awhile. For years, John liked to point out that LA was bigger than it had ever been… until it wasn’t. When India started having full sequence teams, LA started to shrink and even John admitted that work was leaving LA and that it wouldn’t grow back to the size it had been.

  11. In all the advocacy of a union, I am waiting for someone to describe what effect scab work will have against unionized US companies. Don’t get me wrong, I think unionizing is better than nothing. But do you all seriously think the major studios will cave and pay unionized shops to do the work when they can go to the Bulgarian company that did Olympus Has Fallen?

    • jona says:

      The time to unionize has passed. Cat is out of the bag.

      • VFX worker says:

        It really has, good thing Mr. Rand, and Mr.Ross rallied everyone, then said “wait for the right time”, then left all us behind.

        One now works at Union shop, and the other is now making mad cash at VFX and Animation conferences talking about how screwed up things are.

        Well we all waited for the right time…. Nothing happened and we lost all momentum. Thanks VFX leaders.

        This is why VFX will never unite, everyone is out for themselves.

      • Andreas Jablonka says:

        Igotto defend dr. Ross and Dave here. Sure Dave hit a great gig and that happened at a
        Union shop. Good for him, everybody would have taken that gig. And it show how much a union can bring to a shop! Are you jealous? If you are, sign a rep card and let’s make all shops union! Do you need one of our most fearless, most helping member to suffer in unemployment just so you believe his message more? I don’t think so.

        Scott is raising awareness! I doubt the conferences pay him much, the traveling cost and a nice meal
        Is about it. He won’t get rich talking about our dimise! We need to educate the general public about our state if we want any chance to change things! How come even after 2-3 years of Iatse trying to unionize us half the artist still don’t know what they are? Because we are a stubborn bunch and we haven’t educated our members as good as we needed. The LA steering committee is trying to change that.

      • VFX worker says:

        I’m not jealous, I want everyone employed. I sign a rep card everywhere I go, but when you are changing gigs every 3 to 6 months and one of the only ones that will sign, it doesn’t matter.

        My point was they told everyone to wait, and most are still waiting. We had full momentum, we had an industry united more then ever, and they said wait. Now no one is united again, and nothing changed. I had so many conversations where artist said ” Ross says to wait” “rand says to wait” and still hear it today, well now what? When is the right time?

        Everyone waited, everyone was rallied. Nothing happened. Everyone got too busy with thier new jobs?

        They are leaders in this industry, not me, so people listen to them. Not sure how much they realize that. What they say makes a huge impact.

        People are still waiting..

      • vfxmafia says:

        To VFX worker…

        Why wait? Because some professions like the legal profession take time…..it will take 6 months to write up the CVD documents to procure a CVD case. Because their was a VFX case brought some years ago to the WTO….(which got denied)..you have to research cases and site cases in your arguement…..you also have to have the right people to make the complaint….

        THEN the case has to be ruled upon…(more time)…THEN the ruling will take till the end of the fiscal year to audit and implement any fines…..not to mention the lawyers will need MORE money…..

        Its a year away….of anything happen…blame lawyers….not Dave Rand…….or Scott Ross….

        And second of all stop being so negative, because its a waste of energy…….you might want to spend energy on how you are going to feed yourself if you live in LA.

        The process of movements take time…..you might want to reasearch the history of labor movements or the civil rights movements….they all take time to implement…..I wish I had better news for you…..I do understand your fustration…..Im twisting in the wind financially as well.

      • vfxmafia says:

        to VFXworker…

        also…being united doesn’t mean anything…unless its in the context of a union. A strike is meaningless unless you have a represenative of the group to do collective bargaining. Without collective bargaining (which only can be done with a union and their lawyers)…..a strike …is just a day with out pay……

        How can you Unionize across multiple countries?

        And without a union how can you negotiate and demands?

        Without collective bargaining…..all the unity in the world won’t bring about change….

        The CVD route is the only option that goes across borders……(which is were all the work went)

  12. Jackadullboy says:

    Huh? Can’t say anyone was told to wait.. Sad if that’s how artists have been interpreting things.

    Are we a bunch of kindergarten kids that need someone to tell us when to do something? As regards the claim that it’s now too late, and the time has passed…. How so, exactly?

    Too late to have a united voice? Too late to get get some leverage on workplace practices? It always seems there’s someone saying it’s too late to unionize.. I remember reading the same comments years ago… I just don’t understand it. Can someone please explain??!

    • Andreas Jablonka says:

      I do know what he means. We were talking strike and walk out and Scott and Dave geld that extreme back, saying we should protest but not walk
      Out. Now it feels this wave of dedication is gone again.

      • Jackadullboy says:

        Yes, I remember them warning against a walk out. The union question is a separate issue, though. Both urged artists to get on with signing rep cards, organizing being a prerequisite to any other action.

  13. Jack says:

    Back to the Prana thing. I know RnH had a pipeline of work to start with. does this mean Prana management was able to bring in noo new projects to the extent that they couldn’t support the rupee salaries longer ? they definitely have a double whammy with Disney cancelling Tinkerbell & Planes likely going to ILM singapore. but shoudn’t the VFX order book kept flowing ?

  14. McKay, Allan says:

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    • Another One Bites the Dust says:

      Hey Tony Robbins, stop with the free advertising already!

      The blog is about subsidy and business practices of the vfx industry. Its great that you have discovered the power of positive thinking, but the blog explores the dry nuts and bolts of industry practices, not self fulfliment and life coaching. Lets explore one topic at a time. We can already go buy some Anthony Robbins audiobooks if we want to explore this and maybe discuss it in another blog.

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  15. jillm says:

    well then i guess rape cases in India will see an increase

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